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Old 08-02-2011, 08:57 PM
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First off I have NEVER spent my hard earned money on a clone. I believe you get what you pay for.
With that being said , some of you guys are talking like the "clone" manufacturers are breaking into HPI's factory at night and using all thier equipment to produce their products. Alot of time and money goes into designing and building a car even if the "design" has been copied from another company.

Its kinda like going to Harbor Freight and buying your tools instead of stepping on to a Snap On truck and paying 10 times more for a tool that "looks" the same.
All things are NOT created equal, you get what you pay for.
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Old 08-02-2011, 09:35 PM
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i find it funny when people will bash a clone, yet they will buy after market parts for a name brand car from another company, just because said "name brand" is well know or not in china its not considered a rip off or copy.
but if you think about it, do these companies pay a licensing fee to the company ? or are they just COPYING a part and making it out of alloy or a different colour etc.
do you buy tyres made for your name brand car from that company or from another.
what about bodies ???
the list goes on, but don't knock COPIES when there is 50 other companies making after market/hop us that you will buy and use, as buying a NON FACTORY replacement part takes more money from a company than a copied car.
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Old 08-02-2011, 10:32 PM
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I know i am new to this site but in my opinion everyone has to start somewhere wether it be the top brands/ makes or the clones
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Originally Posted by ozzy-crawl View Post
i find it funny when people will bash a clone, yet they will buy after market parts for a name brand car from another company, just because said "name brand" is well know or not in china its not considered a rip off or copy.
but if you think about it, do these companies pay a licensing fee to the company ? or are they just COPYING a part and making it out of alloy or a different colour etc.
do you buy tyres made for your name brand car from that company or from another.
what about bodies ???
the list goes on, but don't knock COPIES when there is 50 other companies making after market/hop us that you will buy and use, as buying a NON FACTORY replacement part takes more money from a company than a copied car.
That's excatly what i'm talking about!!! how can someone bash on a clone and go out and buy some other manufactors after market parts or go out and buy a used hpi and say, you should only buy and support hpi because their design was was ripped off. to me it doesn't really matter what brand you buy as long as were having fun.
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There isn't a better way of looking at this. Both sides are right.

Let's get the points down.

HPI has better quality over all...
KM has better prices over all...

HPI supposedly designed the Baja...
KM supposedly copied the Baja...

This is a tough economy...
Dave Ramsey would probably tell us all we're nuts either way.

Either we are part of the solution...
Or we are part of the problem...
Both platforms suffer from similar flaws...
The size and design limits the performance...
But the size and design offers unique characteristics...

KM= expensive fun
HPI = expensive fun
Rovan = expensive fun

Turtle, Tripp, Hostile, Killer-RC, TGN, DDM, Largescale RC, etc... all offer products to make our fun even more expensive and fun...

I don't see a win here any way. But in the time it took me to write this, I could have learned how to program the expo in my new 4PL I got last week, or finished applying the decals to a body I painted 4 months ago.

Why? Because this is a pointless, winless arguement. We're all here to play with our toys. We are all attracted to this forum to find better paths, parts, ways, experiences... but the only thing that remains true...

5th scale is fun. 5th scale is expensive. Pay now, pay later, doesn't matter. You're gonna pay. An RC life is an experience all in its' own. We have lots of toys. Some are great, some are bad, but its a journey.

CHEERS!
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Originally Posted by aaron2u View Post
There isn't a better way of looking at this. Both sides are right.

Let's get the points down.

HPI has better quality over all...
KM has better prices over all...

HPI supposedly designed the Baja...
KM supposedly copied the Baja...

This is a tough economy...
Dave Ramsey would probably tell us all we're nuts either way.

Either we are part of the solution...
Or we are part of the problem...
Both platforms suffer from similar flaws...
The size and design limits the performance...
But the size and design offers unique characteristics...

KM= expensive fun
HPI = expensive fun
Rovan = expensive fun

Turtle, Tripp, Hostile, Killer-RC, TGN, DDM, Largescale RC, etc... all offer products to make our fun even more expensive and fun...

I don't see a win here any way. But in the time it took me to write this, I could have learned how to program the expo in my new 4PL I got last week, or finished applying the decals to a body I painted 4 months ago.

Why? Because this is a pointless, winless arguement. We're all here to play with our toys. We are all attracted to this forum to find better paths, parts, ways, experiences... but the only thing that remains true...

5th scale is fun. 5th scale is expensive. Pay now, pay later, doesn't matter. You're gonna pay. An RC life is an experience all in its' own. We have lots of toys. Some are great, some are bad, but its a journey.

CHEERS!
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You know you probly could have found a cheap copy of that 4PL. LOL
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Originally Posted by Oldschoolrcer View Post
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You know you probly could have found a cheap copy of that 4PL. LOL
Probably. But when it comes to radios and servos, there isn't any room for mistakes! Besides, i got it for $100 plus an Airtronics MX3 FHSS, so it was too good of a deal to pass up!

I'm really not pro-clone or anti-clone. I like being able to get people into RC, but I do prefer to get them into something used with low time, wear n tear, etc, and a few hop-ups. So be it, if it's a clone.
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Old 08-03-2011, 10:21 PM
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Hpi uses a clone engine in their baja (the fuelie engine is a cy which is Chinese zenoah clone). You can't sympathize with hpi when they're using clones themselves.
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now this is the attitudes that I like to read about. no arguing no fighting just some guys trying to to enjoy the hobby know matter what someone else wants to buy.
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Is there a reason why HPI doesn't make a cheaper version of there Baja to take the thunder from the clones? Seems if the whole clone thing was a problem, and HPI is able to get the cars made in China like the clones, they could make a version that is cheaper like the clones while still having the higher price version available?

Also, I agree to a point about you get what you pay for. Simply put, described to me by someone I raced with:

"Go purchase car A that is top notch in price. Using the get what you pay for logic, you should have no problem with me charging you double for the same car, or triple, as afterall, you get what you pay for right? Wait a minute, its the same car in that box that was cheaper a second ago, it didn't suddenly improve, did it? NOPE . "

"Get what you pay for" logic only goes so far, or, everyone here online would just pay MSRP.
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The only arguement here is that HPI as a company does give back to US at the tracks and give aways, support and customer service..I have yet to see any so called clone/copy company offer any such support...

I have learned too support those who support me...

I could care less about this debate as I have another company/copy that got me started into r/c addiction...still have it and resale on these are not worth it if you do not stick with it..
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
Is there a reason why HPI doesn't make a cheaper version of there Baja to take the thunder from the clones? Seems if the whole clone thing was a problem, and HPI is able to get the cars made in China like the clones, they could make a version that is cheaper like the clones while still having the higher price version available?

Also, I agree to a point about you get what you pay for. Simply put, described to me by someone I raced with:

"Go purchase car A that is top notch in price. Using the get what you pay for logic, you should have no problem with me charging you double for the same car, or triple, as afterall, you get what you pay for right? Wait a minute, its the same car in that box that was cheaper a second ago, it didn't suddenly improve, did it? NOPE . "

"Get what you pay for" logic only goes so far, or, everyone here online would just pay MSRP.
That would be PRICE GOUGING !
Kinda like the Oil companies do to us everyday. Has nothing to do with basing prices on production costs.
Just saying.
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Originally Posted by Oldschoolrcer View Post
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You know you probly could have found a cheap copy of that 4PL. LOL
Clone radio would have been better quality. In 8 yrs of the hobby I have used Spektrums, KO Radios, 3Pk, 4PK, 4PL, 2PL, 3PL, 3PM Futabas as well as the cheapy "Fly Skys"

4PL is the ONLY one that the transmitter actually broke (and I always store my radios in a padded case), and then Futaba screwed me on warranty. The 4pl IMO is a garbage radio. Going back to the 4PKS the quality is 100% better and the 4pl was clearly made to cut corners.

..but I digress
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Some of you are seriously misinformed.

Supporting other companies that are copying parts? Sorry, Turtle racing, Hostile, etc., are making replacement parts, not EXACT copies. They have r&d into their parts, not just duplicating.

It is ONLY about having fun? Yes, rc is about having fun. So when the guy who steals your stuff so he too can "have fun", I hope everyone welcomes him aboard.

If you think buying a product that is counterfeit is ok, you are part of the problem. Defend it all you want, but that is why so many have an issue with clones and people that buy them. It is not a superior or elitist attitude, it is about a company being ripped off. Buy another brand, Duratrax, or the Redcat Rampage series. Nobody will have an issue with that, but when you buy a product that clearly is ripped off from another company and try to defend that, don't expect everyone to smile and say welcome.
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Originally Posted by upDUHcreek View Post
Hello??? Are you kidding me? I have to call BS on that one. YOU are the one who started the personal attacks. This is NOT a personal attack.

"Buying a clone gives nothing back to the baja community. Ask the companies you mentioned what they think about clones."

And to that post you responded with this.

"I bet 99% of the companies could care less what vehicle the parts are going on. They are in business to make money. If they cared as much as you wanna portray they do then they would just give you the parts at cost and making them would only be a "hobby" for them to "help" fellow HPI owners........

I honestly think it's sad how some of these baja events are banning clones from competing. That's like you going to the dragstrip with a import car and since there are only american muscle there they tell you to leave and you can't run. When I'm in the staging lanes in one of my mustangs I could care less who is beside me and what they are driving. As long as they enjoy being there and enjoy there vehicle they own THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS....

Go stink up someone else's threads with negative comments. Hey while your at it go find a local kid that just saved up enough money to buy a stampede and is outside with a smile on his face and tell him since it ain't a HPI savage it's a POS.......That is since you like downing everyone's choices so much... "


The last paragraph of YOUR post is a personal attack. You started the attacks, yet you blame them on others? Who's the spoiled little baby here?



Originally Posted by turbo4age View Post
if you took that analogy as an attack then you are hyper-sensitive. i see nothing at all wrong with what he wrote. edit: in fact, your ensuing post was where the attacks started.

i also feel like clones are shameless, but at their price point i dont think they are stealing any potential buyers from any of the name brands. i do also feel like they are a revenue generator as far as replacement parts are concerned for the name brand companies.

nobody with a ~$500 budget will even consider a baja, but you can be sure they will most likely be buying baja parts since they are more readily available. and every hobby shop i talk to tells me that the profits are in parts sales, not in kits.
Where exactly is the analogy in the last paragraph? If you don't see that as a personal attack, then that is your misunderstanding or lack of comprehension.

A conversation or debate can be a great thing, but not when the people involved are so closed minded and devoted to their side of the argument that their opinion can not be changed, even when facts are presented. This is not aimed at anyone in particular.

If HPI stated they were ok with clones due to making money on parts, I would not have as much of an issue with clones, other than the fact that it is just plain wrong for anyone to steal another persons design.
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