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EdwardN 01-13-2004 05:22 PM

Re: hone
 

Originally posted by Slotmachine
Edward I bet you using a wheel cylinder hone arent you! :D
I think this is what it is. I know the minimum size is 13 mm and open till I belive 50 mm, seems like it is. But it is perfectly fit in our sleeves. There is two kind, one is Aluminium oxise and other is Silicon Carbide. I am using aluminium oxide-it is softer and doesn't hirt chrome. Silicon cirbide will scratch chrome. It costs like $ 15.
Just insert it in sleeve and turn around 3-4 times-it is ready. :nod:

EdwardN 01-13-2004 05:24 PM


Originally posted by Pit-racer
:nod: All I know about modding engines is to leave it to the experts. I just love the results, thanks Edward! :nod:
Hi Richard. You are very welcome. Keep it run, she is not ready yet, needs some more run time.;) :nod:

stefan 01-13-2004 05:43 PM


Originally posted by modellor
Definately a lot of Palmaris Racing guys on this forum. Things keep going as they are and myself and TopGun will have to start organising Palmaris Racing cup events:lol:

Guess you have to go where the power is:nod:

Why wasn't I invited?:mad:

EdwardN 01-13-2004 05:46 PM


Originally posted by modellor
Definately a lot of Palmaris Racing guys on this forum. Things keep going as they are and myself and TopGun will have to start organising Palmaris Racing cup events:lol:

Guess you have to go where the power is:nod:

I want to thanks everybody who trust in my ideas and tryed my work, who has joint togther in our team.
About Palmaris Racing Cup, it is good idea, why not? Let's think about it. On good track with real good prizes it will boost hooby.

EdwardN 01-13-2004 05:47 PM


Originally posted by stefan
Why wasn't I invited?:mad:
You are alwys welcome !!!!!!!!!!;) :nod: :D

kitracer 01-13-2004 06:05 PM

hey,, don't leave me behind.

:batman:

Tell me the Cup date and I am packing my bags to see you guys.


:nod:

tl2111 01-13-2004 06:08 PM


Originally posted by kitracer
hey,, don't leave me behind.

:batman:

Tell me the Cup date and I am packing my bags to see you guys.


:nod:

bull sh!t, you won't dare hehehehe

kitracer 01-13-2004 06:11 PM

we shall see who will chicken out.......:D

Dust 01-13-2004 07:28 PM

Is the article in the recent radio control magazine about porting engine sleaves, a good article to follow?

- Dust

Chewdogg 01-14-2004 06:53 AM


I think this is what it is. I know the minimum size is 13 mm and open till I belive 50 mm, seems like it is. But it is perfectly fit in our sleeves. There is two kind, one is Aluminium oxise and other is Silicon Carbide. I am using aluminium oxide-it is softer and doesn't hirt chrome. Silicon cirbide will scratch chrome. It costs like $ 15.
Thanks......Exactly what I was looking for

Chewdogg 01-14-2004 07:10 AM

By the way TG77...... I'm using some timing numbers you posted as a base for my mods on my MR12 3 port and I can really tell the difference. So far I can keep up with a few slightly modified NS 3 ports and pixi outlaws but give me time and I'll smoke em.......muahahaha:sneaky: :sneaky: :sneaky:

EdwardN 01-14-2004 07:52 AM


Originally posted by Dust
Is the article in the recent radio control magazine about porting engine sleaves, a good article to follow?

- Dust

I haven't see that article. Can you posted it or show to me somehow,I can tell you my opinion.:nod:

EdwardN 01-14-2004 09:48 AM


Originally posted by Chewdogg
By the way TG77...... I'm using some timing numbers you posted as a base for my mods on my MR12 3 port and I can really tell the difference. So far I can keep up with a few slightly modified NS 3 ports and pixi outlaws but give me time and I'll smoke em.......muahahaha:sneaky: :sneaky: :sneaky:
Realy nice to hear that. regardless who did the work, the right setting is working! Let's keep it up! Give me your numbers and we might go further. I will be happy to help you.:nod: If also you will use my P/S/conrod set you will see even a lot of more difference.:nod:
Have fun!!!!!!!!!!!

EdwardN 01-14-2004 11:51 AM

Glow plug types
 
ROAR finaly allow us to use turbo plugs on ROAR, but what about "nelson" type? Can we use them on sunctioned events? Anybody has idea if they will be allow to use on winternats?
Thanks!!!!

Chewdogg 01-14-2004 12:09 PM


Realy nice to hear that. regardless who did the work, the right setting is working! Let's keep it up! Give me your numbers and we might go further. I will be happy to help you. If also you will use my P/S/conrod set you will see even a lot of more difference.
Sure I can use all the help I can get.......I'm a newbie to RC

Exhaust 172
Transfer 127...I think
Induction 215
carb opening bored close to stock NS12 carb with out restrictor
increased crank bore....not sure how much I was experimenting
stock venturi 5.5mm (sp?)
and a few minor things not worth mentioning

modellor 01-14-2004 12:26 PM

All the little minor things should be told. They may seen small and worthless but they all make a difference.

Slotmachine 01-14-2004 01:27 PM

Edward
 
What are your views on Rifling the carb. opening, do you think it would excellerate the air enough to make a difference?

EdwardN 01-14-2004 02:12 PM


Originally posted by Chewdogg
Sure I can use all the help I can get.......I'm a newbie to RC

Exhaust 172
Transfer 127...I think
Induction 215
carb opening bored close to stock NS12 carb with out restrictor
increased crank bore....not sure how much I was experimenting
stock venturi 5.5mm (sp?)
and a few minor things not worth mentioning

When induction open after BDC? It is realy important. Transfer and exhaust pretty good, may be transfer make 130, but 3 degree will not make a lot of difference.

EdwardN 01-14-2004 02:16 PM

Re: Edward
 

Originally posted by Slotmachine
What are your views on Rifling the carb. opening, do you think it would excellerate the air enough to make a difference?
Is riflinfg means not smoothed? If it is, NO, it will actualy makes turbulence flow which we defenetly don't want to have in the induction track. Let's vacuum makes its work right. I preferd have pretty smooth track ( and short as much as possible).

EdwardN 01-14-2004 02:21 PM


Originally posted by Chewdogg
I'm a newbie to RC


If you be able to mesure timing that accurate, it is very promissing.:nod: ;) :D
Just one more advice, it is very important to make all cut lines very straight ( opening and closing lines). In my opinion, ports has to open/close instantly, including exhaust-it makes a lot of difference.:nod:

Chewdogg 01-14-2004 06:24 PM


When induction open after BDC? It is realy important. Transfer and exhaust pretty good, may be transfer make 130, but 3 degree will not make a lot of difference.
Induction open 30 ABDC
Induction close 65 ATDC



If you be able to mesure timing that accurate, it is very promissing. Just one more advice, it is very important to make all cut lines very straight ( opening and closing lines). In my opinion, ports has to open/close instantly, including exhaust-it makes a lot of difference.
Hmmm.......the crank opens straight but closes in a U shape. The exhaust also closes in a U. I'll straighten them out this weekend.

Man thanks for all your help. When I first asked about modding everyone acted like it was some sort of secret society...they always said, "leave it to the pros"......I said the pros started out at the bottom just like everyone else if they can figure out how these little beast work so can I. So I rolled up my sleeves and went to work. And after tons of searches on message boards, web sites, and the ocassional ooooops....this baby will really move.:nod:

modellor 01-14-2004 07:30 PM

Hey Chewdogg - This is absolutely true. Most of the Pro Tuners do tell the newbie to leave it to them. They prefer to keep the engine modifying a secret code which only a select few gain entry too (those that fully understand before hand an engine inside-out).

Unfortunately, this has little to do with them not wanting to help more to do with money. These guys make money (maybe not a big lot, but they make money) and they dont want a newbie coming along and taking part of the wad.

I have only seen a couple of tuners who will willing give out small snippets of info (general gas flowing, etc that a baby could do blindfolded) but then TopGun came along and things really changed. The dark world of engines is being opened and soon it will be open completely. Together we have built Team Palmaris Racing and you only need to see by the signatures that a lot of guys believe in what TopGun is doing. These are only some of the team members. There are still quite a few who havent got the name in their signature.

But you can be sure that you will never be told to leave to the Pros again:)

Slotmachine 01-14-2004 09:01 PM

mods
 
I got my new sleeve in tonight, and I got the crank moded like I was told. It took this one handed racer 1 1/2 hours to complete I did the carb last week. I cant wait to try it out but it is snowing now where I live.. :cry: :cry: :cry:

kitracer 01-14-2004 09:55 PM

Re: mods
 

Originally posted by Slotmachine
I got my new sleeve in tonight, and I got the crank moded like I was told. It took this one handed racer 1 1/2 hours to complete I did the carb last week. I cant wait to try it out but it is snowing now where I live.. :cry: :cry: :cry:

Hey, send them to me and I can test them for yr.:lol: :lol:
also i can tell you now how good they are.

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isuzuguy 01-15-2004 04:55 AM

mods
 
anybody know where i can purchase a 360 degree protractor to use modding timing
thks :D

Chewdogg 01-15-2004 05:53 AM


anybody know where i can purchase a 360 degree protractor to use modding timing
I got mine from Office Depot for 6 bucks.

Chewdogg 01-15-2004 06:04 AM

Hey guys I have seen pics of modded sleeves with bigger tapers on the bottom. What are the benefits of doing this?:confused:

EdwardN 01-15-2004 07:52 AM

Re: mods
 

Originally posted by isuzuguy
anybody know where i can purchase a 360 degree protractor to use modding timing
thks :D

I got mine from Home depot, it costs about $5 including tax.
I love that one, it has two x180 degree graduation, no need to calculate ( getting lasy :D ). It is made out of lexan or similar clear plastic-very right tool for us.:nod:

EdwardN 01-15-2004 07:56 AM


Originally posted by Chewdogg
Hey guys I have seen pics of modded sleeves with bigger tapers on the bottom. What are the benefits of doing this?:confused:
It is removing extra friction from the bottom. It is realy doesn't need to have any sealing on the bottom, so we made realy big tapper there. But it has limit, if it is too big, the piston will go out of straight line and will hit exhaust window's top line. So everything is reasonble limit. Can tell you, that one is one of the realy big secret of design, too many things are involve in this issue and a lot tries were done to find right tapering.:nod:

EdwardN 01-15-2004 08:12 AM

Engine modding secrets.
 
To add some info on engine modding secrets, can tell you, I don't have a lot of secrets from anybody, more then that on the beginnignof my present here in forum I offer my help for everyone here. More then that I was already on the process to build my motor and in the mean time offer to very respectible moddifier to supply him with my parts at very discounted price for his needs ( but i even didn't get respond). I know all my parts can be mesured and try to copy, materials can be checked for chemical constraction etc, but still don't see any secrets in it and ready to share with everyone. I do have some technological secrets, but it has nothing to do with modding. I can't release technology of piston material manufacturing, but I can supply anybody who needs with ready pistons ( by specs) or blank pistons, ready to be crinding to fit.
But unfortunately nobody needs my help in manufacturing, that is realy fine with me. Beside these couple secrets I can release any possible info on my work with engines and I am doing it so far and happy if somebody will use my expirience and knowolodge.:nod:

EdwardN 01-15-2004 08:17 AM


Originally posted by Chewdogg
Induction open 30 ABDC
Induction close 65 ATDC




Hmmm.......the crank opens straight but closes in a U shape. The exhaust also closes in a U. I'll straighten them out this weekend.



It must close straight, try to fix it.
The numbers are realy good, try to save them.:nod:
On exhaust, all Novas based engines ( not only them) have arc on the top line. It is some their theory, but I use staright line theory.:nod: Don't overcut that line, too much of exhaust will cut your torq on bottom end ( dwell time will be too short).
have fun and if you have more questions, please ask :nod:

Slotmachine 01-15-2004 01:39 PM

NEEDLE
 
Efdward:
I did all the mods you suggested, I think I may have goten the taper wrong on the low speed needle. The engine loads up even with the low speed needle turned all the way in ,the mid range is set to the middle of the carb opening. When I replaced the needle with a stock one everything was perfect, this engine has throttle responce out the WAZOO!I guess I will have to try to make another needle to see if I can get it right.

EdwardN 01-15-2004 02:03 PM

Re: NEEDLE
 

Originally posted by Slotmachine
Efdward:
I did all the mods you suggested, I think I may have goten the taper wrong on the low speed needle. The engine loads up even with the low speed needle turned all the way in ,the mid range is set to the middle of the carb opening. When I replaced the needle with a stock one everything was perfect, this engine has throttle responce out the WAZOO!I guess I will have to try to make another needle to see if I can get it right.

Hey Paul. Seems for me like needle isn't sharp enough-too lean on the bottom. Try to sharp it more, but don't touch the lenght please.;) :nod:

ziggy12345 01-18-2004 04:06 PM

Anybody got any pics of a modded crank? I know some people \Dremmel the end scoop but how?

Cheers

Chewdogg 01-21-2004 07:23 AM

Hey guys what are some of the ROAR legal mods you can do to an engine?

Grinder 01-21-2004 08:14 AM

pictures
 
My website has pictures of some modified engines.

http://murnanmodified.5u.com/

Corse-R 01-21-2004 11:33 AM

Re: pictures
 

Originally posted by Grinder
My website has pictures of some modified engines.

http://murnanmodified.5u.com/

Hi Uriah....

Will see you on Ft. Myers... want to talk with you and discuss some ideas regarding engines. Plan to go with Sirios or with the almighty RR12L3 you did lately?

Grinder 01-21-2004 12:28 PM

Re: Re: pictures
 

Originally posted by Corse-R
Hi Uriah....

Will see you on Ft. Myers... want to talk with you and discuss some ideas regarding engines. Plan to go with Sirios or with the almighty RR12L3 you did lately?

What's up, I will be in Ft. Myers, and look forward to meeting you. I think I will run the RR, but I'm still undecided because my Sirio was extremely fast down there for the warmup race two weekends ago, but there is the reliability issue with their rods. I think the RR may be perfect on that track.

afm 01-21-2004 01:09 PM

Re: Re: Re: pictures
 

Originally posted by Grinder

.............................mySirio was extremely fast down there for the warmup race two weekends ago, but there is the reliability issue with their rods........

Hi Grinder
Long time no talk...Yes I'm having same problem with my Sirio Evo2 concerning premature wear on conrod......engine is extremely fast but.......conrods???? I just hope Sirio come up with a solution for this.
Good Luck at Winternats.
AFM

Grinder 01-21-2004 01:42 PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: pictures
 

Originally posted by afm
Hi Grinder
Long time no talk...Yes I'm having same problem with my Sirio Evo2 concerning premature wear on conrod......engine is extremely fast but.......conrods???? I just hope Sirio come up with a solution for this.
Good Luck at Winternats.
AFM

The problem is not the quality of the rod itself, but a brand new Sirio rod has too much play in it. :confused:


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