R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Nitro On-Road > Onroad Nitro Engine Zone

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 06-26-2006, 09:44 AM   #511
Tech Master
 
NiMo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Luton, England
Posts: 1,704
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ziggy12345
I was using the plug that was in the engine that came with it, I'm not sure what one it is. I am waiting for the CRF plugs before I change it as I dont know if the Nova ones have the correct seal angle, somebody saif the OS ones are the same.

FYI Nimo. Mark Christopher had the fastest car on the track at Ashby running a JP T03M out of the box!!
I had the previous JP and it was the best I've ever had, loads of torque, I was hoping to find something better, Sirio was bad (3 broken cranks) and this motor needs big tracks, do guess I'll return to JP (must be the way I drive )
NiMo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 10:28 AM   #512
Tech Master
 
ziggy12345's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: West Midlands, UK
Posts: 1,596
Default

Dont get ceramic bearings. A few guys have had problems with them including me. I have changed them for the steel ones
__________________
Dedicated RC Car Speed Site

http://www.fast-rc.co.uk/forum/index.php

Sponsored by:
Norfolk and Chance
ziggy12345 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 11:18 AM   #513
Tech Elite
 
mtveten's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,668
Trader Rating: 27 (100%+)
Default

Nimo,

It sounds like your local track is about the same size as mine. I have found that the clutch setup & gearing for this motor is far more critical than other but once you get it right, you car will fly like its got a 5port in it.

I am racing on a 80x150ft parking lot track and am using the clutch setup below for my G4S.

Orange spring, threaded .75mm past threads (2 turns past stock setting)
All weights in the clutch shoes
.7mm clutch gap
.1mm end play

If you have a yellow spring you may want to try that with the stock tension setting.

For gearing run an 18/52 first gear with a 23/46 2nd and switch to an 18T brake pulley to get your ratios down from 7.28/5.04 to 7.68/5.35

With this setup my car looked like it had Renault's launch control off the line (passed 3 cars on the grid) and had more far more punch out of the corner than everyone else.

The key to the motor seems to be high RPM engagement with low gearing.

BTW with this setup I was able to pass 5 port JPs at will all through the infield.
mtveten is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 11:27 AM   #514
Tech Master
 
NiMo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Luton, England
Posts: 1,704
Default

I still got the 19T pulleys, thought about the 18's
Got the Yellow spring.
My track has only one but very critical infield sweeper that needs a good clutch feel, but also has to ultra slow hairpins and a tight corner after chicane on to the straight (see track link)
I have ordered another JP but will try to make this wasp work, just 'cos it looks cool
NiMo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 12:22 PM   #515
Tech Master
 
impalabob64's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: florida
Posts: 1,464
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to impalabob64
Default hey

nimo ,try the skyline vr12 plus pipe ,or the novaroosi fatpipe 2630,i run 30% nitro,my g4s is uncontollable it crazy fast, i like this engine so much i hve 3 that i will taken to Toledo race. my gearing 18/23 51/47 59mm frt 60mm rear.with short conical header,stock clutch.
__________________
RoninRc.com
MurnanModifiedMotors
Basher BT-4
impalabob64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 12:46 PM   #516
Tech Master
 
NiMo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Luton, England
Posts: 1,704
Default

Skyline not available in the UK, and Customs fees on US imports are more than the price of the goods themselves.
UK and rest of Europe runs on 16% so that's not an option.
I ran some Nitro Shoes down to the plastic (only foam glue dots left) and it still bogged down.
The plug that came with the motor was dead, so I had to use a NovaRossi 7 (all I have), dunno if this is the problem with no low end, but 5 feet out of the corner it lights up the tyres, I just need that initial 5 feet so I'll get the 18T pulleys to drop the FDR of the car.
NiMo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 01:20 PM   #517
Tech Master
 
impalabob64's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: florida
Posts: 1,464
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to impalabob64
Default hey

what about the mega picco, pipe an header the header has the opened just alittle to fit the wasp engine i tried it,it reved alttle to much for me.
__________________
RoninRc.com
MurnanModifiedMotors
Basher BT-4
impalabob64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 01:33 PM   #518
Tech Elite
 
Rick Hohwart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 3,935
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NiMo
...but 5 feet out of the corner it lights up the tyres, I just need that initial 5 feet so I'll get the 18T pulleys to drop the FDR of the car.
lean the lsn as well
Rick Hohwart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 01:37 PM   #519
Tech Master
 
NiMo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Luton, England
Posts: 1,704
Default

The JP 2620 is almost the same as the NovaRossi 2601, and it worked with the JP FX T03, Sirio Evo2 & Ev03, and NovaRossi LL3 so I doubt that is the problem.
The G4S has a higher FDR than any other car I've had, similar to the FW05 with the 37T diff ring gears, even the LL3 needs an 18T ist gear on high grip days, so that is the route I will look at, I can gear up but at present I cannot gear down.
Today has been a loss as it has rained for the last 10 hours and is still raining.
I will order the 18T pulleys tomorrow so should have them by Friday.
NiMo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 01:39 PM   #520
Tech Master
 
NiMo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Luton, England
Posts: 1,704
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Hohwart
lean the lsn as well
already tried that, got it so lean it would stutter under power.
NiMo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 02:08 PM   #521
M7H
Tech Elite
 
M7H's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 2,196
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mtveten
I have found that the clutch setup & gearing for this motor is far more critical than other but once you get it right, you car will fly like its got a 5port in it.
So in the end you need all the gearings available for your car, and double them to have some spare, that is if you run a championship and need to gear your car different for every track you visit.......
There goes the "cheaper" part then of this engine....

Or am I to sceptic.....
__________________
Serpent
M7H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 02:13 PM   #522
Tech Adept
 
fastrcracer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Louisville, Kentucky
Posts: 141
Default

Rick - When will the next batch be available in the US. I've had one ordered from my LHS for quite a while now ????????
__________________
Associated FT SC10
Futaba 3PK
AKA Tires
Maxamps Batteries
SRI Raceway, Louisville KY
fastrcracer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 04:46 PM   #523
Tech Elite
 
AMGRacer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 3,939
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NiMo
Skyline not available in the UK, and Customs fees on US imports are more than the price of the goods themselves.
UK and rest of Europe runs on 16% so that's not an option.
I ran some Nitro Shoes down to the plastic (only foam glue dots left) and it still bogged down.
The plug that came with the motor was dead, so I had to use a NovaRossi 7 (all I have), dunno if this is the problem with no low end, but 5 feet out of the corner it lights up the tyres, I just need that initial 5 feet so I'll get the 18T pulleys to drop the FDR of the car.
A 7 is pretty cold. Try a 5 for more low end.
AMGRacer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 11:03 PM   #524
Tech Elite
 
mtveten's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,668
Trader Rating: 27 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by M7H
So in the end you need all the gearings available for your car, and double them to have some spare, that is if you run a championship and need to gear your car different for every track you visit.......
There goes the "cheaper" part then of this engine....

Or am I to sceptic.....

I dunno where the idea of the wasp being cheaper came from, around here cost is the same as stock 3 port nova or sirio.

Anyhow the gearing situation isn't that bad, and would need to be changed no mater what motor I run.

Basicly I always use 52 & 46T spur gears and an 18T first gear pinion. Now for 150ft or less I would use a 23T 2nd gear pinion along with an 18T brake pulley. FRD = 7.68 / 5.32. on say a technical track with a long straight 180+ft I would put a 24T 2nd gear pinion on to change my 2nd gear to a 5.1.

For a very long 215+ft wide open track track I would also change my brake pully to a 19T giving me ratios of 7.28 / 4.83.

Now it may seem like a lot be remember I get all these ratios by stocking only 1 extra $13.- pinion and 1 $6.- pulley. Compared to say a mugen or Kyosho where I would need several pinions & spurs to cover the same range. Without proper gearing and clutch setup you want be able to get the most out of whatever motor you run.

Mark
mtveten is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2006, 12:25 PM   #525
Tech Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 61
Default

Thanks for your help Josh !
barclayrc is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Team Orion Wasp REV Nicolas Onroad Nitro Engine Zone 183 10-05-2006 09:04 AM
team orion wasp rev MAVICXXX Malaysian R/C Racers 31 09-19-2006 09:18 PM
Team Orion - Wasp!! BundyMan Onroad Nitro Engine Zone 1 03-03-2006 03:10 AM
Orion Element 19t Dyno results rinkrat99 Electric On-Road 7 10-09-2005 07:29 PM
Team Orion Wasp .12 HaLo_UsMc R/C Items: For Sale/Trade 6 03-16-2005 07:31 PM



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 02:31 AM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net