Ceramic Coated Pipes
05-05-2011, 08:21 PM
#16
the performance deff changed but i wouldn't call it a gain. it ran about 10* hotter on average, and the coating didnt last looking good for very long. IMO based off results using both, HC Ano is the way to go.
05-06-2011, 03:15 AM
#17
Ceramic Coating,
i havent see this for some time, well for a R/C car application for a bit.....
man we been doing this for "Years" !!! but mostly for Headers on car exhaust systems,Blocks,engine heads,underside of hoods etc.
all that stuff....
it's pretty handy....since as well can withstand temps of 1300 deg. easily
one of the newest types a Metallic Ceramic is all the rage nowdays,
just did some for one of the New Shelby Mustangs for a car show,(dang those new cars are "Expensive"!!..LOL)
yea, a R/C pipe be around 20.00 bucks,
we used to sell the Coatings but now just do it in house......
mostly cause people did not usually have the equipment to do it??
one of the machine shops we deal with does allot of this as well
D&B Designs they also just started making Short course bodies and now make a few others as well....but for the coatings he doesnt have any retail "Walk-in" since most of his stuff is "Contract"
(industrail)
i used to run it on my pipes? and to really notice any differances you'll have to add a deicent amount....well for "Performance Wise"
what it will do is portect the pipes a little better,almost like Hard Anodizing say like a JP style pipe....for weight? well if anyone was worried about adding a few "Micro-Grams of weight" no you wouldnt want this? would add about as much as a single sunflower seed? if that?
now where did we notice any performance gains?
well we noticed big gains in Turbos,and Intake manifolds, and engine parts ran cooler.....
did i notice any in my little r/c pipe....still not sure??
for stinks and Giggles we did a Piston and Holw Cow!!! yea, was NICE !!! ,performance, yes did a old Nova P5 and it was a significant power increase,because could run some things a little leaner,and the fuel did not need to do as Much of the "Cooling" because most items that become Ceramic Coated will stay cooler, so a engine block on a Mustang or a chevy motor this can help,turbos stuff like that.....
"Now" some R/C motors are already like that the pistons have a higher "Silica Content" and some may now find some motors take allot longer to "Break In" a gallon sometimes up to 2....
down side,for the little pipes? cant do it on a used pipe,can do it on a "New-Un-Used" pipe, you could on a used pipe? but one would need to be sure "Every single" bit of grime any oil,caster residue,nothing can be left....."Because" it WILL come off,if your pipe is not totaly "Clean"
now if to gain some good performance if "Coating the Outside"
to really Notice it, you would need to Cyrogenicly "Freeze" it,then coat it.....
Musicians have done this for years to there Saxaphones,and wind Insturments,helps for a better "Tone"
they dont Coat there insturments with a ceramic coating! but when they freeze them hey Do sound "Better"
so i tried that,and i noticed a "Difference" but can only be done as well with a "New Item" is it worth it...???
i dont know depends on the Individual....????????
i tried this was it better...??? well still up in the air on this? but it DID have a VERY Noticeable "Tone" to it....sounded like a Old School YZ-450 punched out and Jetted......sounded pretty "Mean" !!!!
if done on just the outside? well can help but would need enough of the coating to "Effect" how the Pipe "Reacts"
now i still do my pipes,cause there Waaaayyyyy Easier to clean,and nothing really sticks to them!!! did my 2060 pipes my 9901 pipes and my Werks pipes and there easier to clean and stay looking newer...
and can you go too thick...?? OH YEA !!! in general the most you would want to go is about .0015 is the max !!!
after that it can crack flake in the worst case Bubble up because it is too thick......
and does it help...??? well this much for sure doesnt hurt to "Try It"
i havent see this for some time, well for a R/C car application for a bit.....
man we been doing this for "Years" !!! but mostly for Headers on car exhaust systems,Blocks,engine heads,underside of hoods etc.
all that stuff....
it's pretty handy....since as well can withstand temps of 1300 deg. easily
one of the newest types a Metallic Ceramic is all the rage nowdays,
just did some for one of the New Shelby Mustangs for a car show,(dang those new cars are "Expensive"!!..LOL)yea, a R/C pipe be around 20.00 bucks,
we used to sell the Coatings but now just do it in house......
mostly cause people did not usually have the equipment to do it??
one of the machine shops we deal with does allot of this as well
D&B Designs they also just started making Short course bodies and now make a few others as well....but for the coatings he doesnt have any retail "Walk-in" since most of his stuff is "Contract"
(industrail)
i used to run it on my pipes? and to really notice any differances you'll have to add a deicent amount....well for "Performance Wise"
what it will do is portect the pipes a little better,almost like Hard Anodizing say like a JP style pipe....for weight? well if anyone was worried about adding a few "Micro-Grams of weight" no you wouldnt want this? would add about as much as a single sunflower seed? if that?
now where did we notice any performance gains?
well we noticed big gains in Turbos,and Intake manifolds, and engine parts ran cooler.....
did i notice any in my little r/c pipe....still not sure??
for stinks and Giggles we did a Piston and Holw Cow!!! yea, was NICE !!! ,performance, yes did a old Nova P5 and it was a significant power increase,because could run some things a little leaner,and the fuel did not need to do as Much of the "Cooling" because most items that become Ceramic Coated will stay cooler, so a engine block on a Mustang or a chevy motor this can help,turbos stuff like that.....
"Now" some R/C motors are already like that the pistons have a higher "Silica Content" and some may now find some motors take allot longer to "Break In" a gallon sometimes up to 2....
down side,for the little pipes? cant do it on a used pipe,can do it on a "New-Un-Used" pipe, you could on a used pipe? but one would need to be sure "Every single" bit of grime any oil,caster residue,nothing can be left....."Because" it WILL come off,if your pipe is not totaly "Clean"
now if to gain some good performance if "Coating the Outside"
to really Notice it, you would need to Cyrogenicly "Freeze" it,then coat it.....
Musicians have done this for years to there Saxaphones,and wind Insturments,helps for a better "Tone"
they dont Coat there insturments with a ceramic coating! but when they freeze them hey Do sound "Better"
so i tried that,and i noticed a "Difference" but can only be done as well with a "New Item" is it worth it...???
i dont know depends on the Individual....????????
i tried this was it better...??? well still up in the air on this? but it DID have a VERY Noticeable "Tone" to it....sounded like a Old School YZ-450 punched out and Jetted......sounded pretty "Mean" !!!!
if done on just the outside? well can help but would need enough of the coating to "Effect" how the Pipe "Reacts"
now i still do my pipes,cause there Waaaayyyyy Easier to clean,and nothing really sticks to them!!! did my 2060 pipes my 9901 pipes and my Werks pipes and there easier to clean and stay looking newer...
and can you go too thick...?? OH YEA !!! in general the most you would want to go is about .0015 is the max !!!
after that it can crack flake in the worst case Bubble up because it is too thick......
and does it help...??? well this much for sure doesnt hurt to "Try It"
05-06-2011, 05:57 AM
#18
I know it it will add a small cost to the overall picture but for what you will gain form the coating, it will be a favorable cost. It should cost about as much as 1 piston/sleeve resize and it will last for years. My black HO pipes I did for myself over a year ago still look new with very little to no pigment change in the color so I am confident the ceramic process will be better than the HO for around the same cost as the HO.
05-06-2011, 06:06 AM
#19
Ceramic Coating,
i havent see this for some time, well for a R/C car application for a bit.....
man we been doing this for "Years" !!! but mostly for Headers on car exhaust systems,Blocks,engine heads,underside of hoods etc.
all that stuff....
it's pretty handy....since as well can withstand temps of 1300 deg. easily
one of the newest types a Metallic Ceramic is all the rage nowdays, just did some for one of the New Shelby Mustangs for a car show,(dang those new cars are "Expensive"!!..LOL)
yea, a R/C pipe be around 20.00 bucks,
we used to sell the Coatings but now just do it in house......
mostly cause people did not usually have the equipment to do it??
one of the machine shops we deal with does allot of this as well
D&B Designs they also just started making Short course bodies and now make a few others as well....but for the coatings he doesnt have any retail "Walk-in" since most of his stuff is "Contract"
(industrail)
i used to run it on my pipes? and to really notice any differances you'll have to add a deicent amount....well for "Performance Wise"
what it will do is portect the pipes a little better,almost like Hard Anodizing say like a JP style pipe....for weight? well if anyone was worried about adding a few "Micro-Grams of weight" no you wouldnt want this? would add about as much as a single sunflower seed? if that?
now where did we notice any performance gains?
well we noticed big gains in Turbos,and Intake manifolds, and engine parts ran cooler.....
did i notice any in my little r/c pipe....still not sure??
for stinks and Giggles we did a Piston and Holw Cow!!! yea, was NICE !!! ,performance, yes did a old Nova P5 and it was a significant power increase,because could run some things a little leaner,and the fuel did not need to do as Much of the "Cooling" because most items that become Ceramic Coated will stay cooler, so a engine block on a Mustang or a chevy motor this can help,turbos stuff like that.....
"Now" some R/C motors are already like that the pistons have a higher "Silica Content" and some may now find some motors take allot longer to "Break In" a gallon sometimes up to 2....
down side,for the little pipes? cant do it on a used pipe,can do it on a "New-Un-Used" pipe, you could on a used pipe? but one would need to be sure "Every single" bit of grime any oil,caster residue,nothing can be left....."Because" it WILL come off,if your pipe is not totaly "Clean"
now if to gain some good performance if "Coating the Outside"
to really Notice it, you would need to Cyrogenicly "Freeze" it,then coat it.....
Musicians have done this for years to there Saxaphones,and wind Insturments,helps for a better "Tone"
they dont Coat there insturments with a ceramic coating! but when they freeze them hey Do sound "Better"
so i tried that,and i noticed a "Difference" but can only be done as well with a "New Item" is it worth it...???
i dont know depends on the Individual....????????
i tried this was it better...??? well still up in the air on this? but it DID have a VERY Noticeable "Tone" to it....sounded like a Old School YZ-450 punched out and Jetted......sounded pretty "Mean" !!!!
if done on just the outside? well can help but would need enough of the coating to "Effect" how the Pipe "Reacts"
now i still do my pipes,cause there Waaaayyyyy Easier to clean,and nothing really sticks to them!!! did my 2060 pipes my 9901 pipes and my Werks pipes and there easier to clean and stay looking newer...
and can you go too thick...?? OH YEA !!! in general the most you would want to go is about .0015 is the max !!!
after that it can crack flake in the worst case Bubble up because it is too thick......
and does it help...??? well this much for sure doesnt hurt to "Try It"
i havent see this for some time, well for a R/C car application for a bit.....
man we been doing this for "Years" !!! but mostly for Headers on car exhaust systems,Blocks,engine heads,underside of hoods etc.
all that stuff....
it's pretty handy....since as well can withstand temps of 1300 deg. easily
one of the newest types a Metallic Ceramic is all the rage nowdays,
just did some for one of the New Shelby Mustangs for a car show,(dang those new cars are "Expensive"!!..LOL)yea, a R/C pipe be around 20.00 bucks,
we used to sell the Coatings but now just do it in house......
mostly cause people did not usually have the equipment to do it??
one of the machine shops we deal with does allot of this as well
D&B Designs they also just started making Short course bodies and now make a few others as well....but for the coatings he doesnt have any retail "Walk-in" since most of his stuff is "Contract"
(industrail)
i used to run it on my pipes? and to really notice any differances you'll have to add a deicent amount....well for "Performance Wise"
what it will do is portect the pipes a little better,almost like Hard Anodizing say like a JP style pipe....for weight? well if anyone was worried about adding a few "Micro-Grams of weight" no you wouldnt want this? would add about as much as a single sunflower seed? if that?
now where did we notice any performance gains?
well we noticed big gains in Turbos,and Intake manifolds, and engine parts ran cooler.....
did i notice any in my little r/c pipe....still not sure??
for stinks and Giggles we did a Piston and Holw Cow!!! yea, was NICE !!! ,performance, yes did a old Nova P5 and it was a significant power increase,because could run some things a little leaner,and the fuel did not need to do as Much of the "Cooling" because most items that become Ceramic Coated will stay cooler, so a engine block on a Mustang or a chevy motor this can help,turbos stuff like that.....
"Now" some R/C motors are already like that the pistons have a higher "Silica Content" and some may now find some motors take allot longer to "Break In" a gallon sometimes up to 2....
down side,for the little pipes? cant do it on a used pipe,can do it on a "New-Un-Used" pipe, you could on a used pipe? but one would need to be sure "Every single" bit of grime any oil,caster residue,nothing can be left....."Because" it WILL come off,if your pipe is not totaly "Clean"
now if to gain some good performance if "Coating the Outside"
to really Notice it, you would need to Cyrogenicly "Freeze" it,then coat it.....
Musicians have done this for years to there Saxaphones,and wind Insturments,helps for a better "Tone"
they dont Coat there insturments with a ceramic coating! but when they freeze them hey Do sound "Better"
so i tried that,and i noticed a "Difference" but can only be done as well with a "New Item" is it worth it...???
i dont know depends on the Individual....????????
i tried this was it better...??? well still up in the air on this? but it DID have a VERY Noticeable "Tone" to it....sounded like a Old School YZ-450 punched out and Jetted......sounded pretty "Mean" !!!!
if done on just the outside? well can help but would need enough of the coating to "Effect" how the Pipe "Reacts"
now i still do my pipes,cause there Waaaayyyyy Easier to clean,and nothing really sticks to them!!! did my 2060 pipes my 9901 pipes and my Werks pipes and there easier to clean and stay looking newer...
and can you go too thick...?? OH YEA !!! in general the most you would want to go is about .0015 is the max !!!
after that it can crack flake in the worst case Bubble up because it is too thick......
and does it help...??? well this much for sure doesnt hurt to "Try It"
Nice post my man! We have also experienced similar results in the automotive race world and it definately has it's advantages. The same guys who are doing the coating are also talking about doing the pistons as well but it gets to the point of how far do people really want to go? It's hard enough these days to sell engines let alone with mods and then with ceramic this, upgraded that etc. I'm sure there would be some call for it somewhere but will it be enough to justify buying, breaking down and coating X number of engines with ceramic pistons which would add cost to the final product. I'm sure I could get them to sample me a couple pistons for my own use to test which I may have done.
As far as used pipes, I will have to confirm if there process requires new, never run systems. I mentioned the used systems and they didn't say they couldn't do it but I will verify that with them today.
05-06-2011, 07:57 AM
#20
for sanction racing i dont think ceramic pistons are legal.. and also i think SH has and engine with a ceramic piston already.. i was looking into it a few years back ... but never really bit because i had no history on the SH engines...
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