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OK, well the person did not embellish or lie....I was there to see it and I have no need to lie (I am not making a dime off of it LOL). Either way, I was just telling you where I was coming from. Sometimes, text can be taken out of context a lot easier than verbal communication...as we all know.
Again, I would love to see the numbers, regardless of findings. I just asked that if you were going to compare one brand to another, it be stock to stock. Or if you wanted to compare Mod to Mod, we can arrange that as well. |
Wow, all this from me agreeing that I also could pull a plus 4 down the straight and telling someone I was glad he was happy with his engine.
I have been in rc for 26 years and have run pretty much everybrand Of engine at some time. I feel the Argus is a great engine, I am biased though and do admit it. Hope everyone that has an Argus, I hope you are enjoying them as much as I am. I do only sell what I race. Jonathan Jenkins Argus-USA.net |
Originally Posted by deadmancourt
(Post 8605334)
usually its the modders that think there motors are the fastest...but most of us could not even utilize the power of a modded motor, to even make it worth having:nod:...its all about how your motor and car is setup...this goes for ALL racing period....but when it comes down to having more power than a stock motor:weird:...why would you need it?...its not gonna go any further down the straight? and if it is faster , it is only faster by what? a half a sec maybe down the straight:lol:.....racing is won in the corners, not being super fast down 1 part of the whole track:D....JMHO....not bashing anyone or their work...back on topic....i cant wait to see some RcRenew.com Race Prepped Argus motors on the track....
Not all modified engines are harder to drive then stock ones... Some of the mod engines trigger smoother and also get much better runtimes..... You have to judge modified engines on a engine to engine basis, drive them first hand then make your evaluation.. As there is a good chance the engine will likely be much different then your assuming.....Just because an engine is modified does not mean its some out of control, tire spinning light switch... Some of them are extremely smooth with a broad usable powerband that stretches very deep into the RPM range...As I say, drive one yourself, then make your opinion based on that..speculating on the subject with no first hand experience is not fair to those of us who work very hard at what we do.. |
Agreed, it is not fair to speculate before you try it.
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Originally Posted by Maximo
(Post 8605386)
Not all modified engines are harder to drive then stock ones... Some of the mod engines trigger smoother and also get much better runtimes..... You have to judge modified engines on a engine to engine basis, drive them first hand then make your evaluation.. As there is a good chance the engine will likely be much different then your assuming.....Just because an engine is modified does not mean its some out of control, tire spinning light switch... Some of them are extremely smooth with a broad usable powerband that stretches very deep into the RPM range...As I say, drive one yourself, then make your opinion based on that..speculating on the subject with no first hand experience is not fair to those of us who work very hard at what we do..
Sorry no disrespect intended, but could not resist after being told I did not see what I see.......LOL |
Originally Posted by Maximo
(Post 8605386)
Not all modified engines are harder to drive then stock ones... Some of the mod engines trigger smoother and also get much better runtimes..... You have to judge modified engines on a engine to engine basis, drive them first hand then make your evaluation.. As there is a good chance the engine will likely be much different then your assuming.....Just because an engine is modified does not mean its some out of control, tire spinning light switch... Some of them are extremely smooth with a broad usable powerband that stretches very deep into the RPM range...As I say, drive one yourself, then make your opinion based on that..speculating on the subject with no first hand experience is not fair to those of us who work very hard at what we do..
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For the record..I did not come looking to argue... anyone who's talked to me knows I am a really easy going person...sometimes it is just very difficult to explain some of these things without people misinterpreting what I am trying to say....No worries guys ! its all good to me...
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Originally Posted by jjenkins
(Post 8605411)
But just remember if they see it they don't know what they are seeing. At least this is what you said about my earlier post.....LOL
Sorry no disrespect intended, but could not resist after being told I did not see what I see.......LOL |
Originally Posted by deadmancourt
(Post 8605439)
this is very true.....just saying that theres alot of guys winning all over the globe with box stock, full shimmed motors....and im not even talking about ANYONE who actually gets paid...but thats just my opinion:D...every modified motor i have seen has been badass for sure:nod:....i have driven a couple and they are sweet for sure...but not needed for ME.....i have a hard enough time staying off my lid:lol: j/k... a little bit:smile:
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unbelievable.... smh
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Wow this is still going on guys? Let it be. Neal never meant any disrespect with his first post that everyone got upset about. The last page and a hlaf is just rambling. Neal is an experianced modder who knows what he is talking about and ppl always take his words out of context and this starts. Its like he has a target on his head. I have seen his motors run, they are fast thats for sure. I have never sent neal a dime for anything and he has been more than helpful for any advise i need for any motor.
But back on topic. I am going to drop the hammer and buy one of these mills. I can wait for the summer series to start here so i can have my own opinion about these mills. |
Originally Posted by Maximo
(Post 8605493)
let me ask then...Have you driven, or seen one of mine run ? you do refer to me quite often, so I can't help but to feel some of your comments are aimed towards me and my products....FYI I take no offense to that..But i do have to ask if you have driven one of mine or seen one of mine run ? If so who's did you see ?
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Originally Posted by Maximo
(Post 8605386)
Not all modified engines are harder to drive then stock ones... Some of the mod engines trigger smoother and also get much better runtimes..... You have to judge modified engines on a engine to engine basis, drive them first hand then make your evaluation.. As there is a good chance the engine will likely be much different then your assuming.....Just because an engine is modified does not mean its some out of control, tire spinning light switch... Some of them are extremely smooth with a broad usable powerband that stretches very deep into the RPM range...As I say, drive one yourself, then make your opinion based on that..speculating on the subject with no first hand experience is not fair to those of us who work very hard at what we do..
another thing i would like to see would be the Dyno curves on the "Argus with different shim thicknesses. where the powerbands kick in and peak. what i do with my mods, i give then to my guy tell him where i want the power to be. he does it up, in his words over does it. the reasoning behind that is when we get to given track we basically detune it to the track. usually with a restrictor, but some times shims and or pipe. that way we can get the most power we can put down consitently to the track (generally we get real good run time as well with this as well) i going to PNB and just gave him a engine. told him i want long legs on this one. i never run the PNB, but from the vids on Utube looks like a long track with long runs. don't know what there lay out will be this year, but have a top end motor in the draw won't hurt anyways. |
Originally Posted by kilfish
(Post 8605579)
Now that was well said. exactly my point the argus has IMO a very smooth and powerful throttle responce. it leaps up and just flat scoots in the short shoots, and just keeps going form there. if there is maybe one soft spot it is right out of a corner. kinda a little fatty feel, it is only for like a foot and its not that its slow. don't know if i am discriping that correctly. it a right off throttle thing. does that make sence? (i like to see the dyno curve just to confirm this) yes i have tried leaning the low.
another thing i would like to see would be the Dyno curves on the "Argus with different shim thicknesses. where the powerbands kick in and peak. what i do with my mods, i give then to my guy tell him where i want the power to be. he does it up, in his words over does it. the reasoning behind that is when we get to given track we basically detune it to the track. usually with a restrictor, but some times shims and or pipe. that way we can get the most power we can put down consitently to the track (generally we get real good run time as well with this as well) i going to PNB and just gave him a engine. told him i want long legs on this one. i never run the PNB, but from the vids on Utube looks like a long track with long runs. don't know what there lay out will be this year, but have a top end motor in the draw won't hurt anyways. |
Originally Posted by hdcruzer
(Post 8605649)
I get that fatty feel coming out of corners also. I also tried leaning the low and ended up with to lean a bottom. Had to fatten it back up. Still dont quite have a gallon on it so will see what happens as the gallons climb. The one thing I have noticed is the tuning window is small on this motor. 1 hr one way or the other and its dialed.
For you and killfish, from my experience with the motors, I might can help your bottom a little. The bottom will feel that it is a little fat....instead of leaning, fatten the bottom 2 to 3 hours. These motors, at least with mine, like a fat bottom. If it acts a little fat and you lean it two hours but it does not change, go the other direction the same amount. This might help you guys out a little....and it might not. LOL On top, you can get away with it on the lean side. On bottom, run it richer than you think. Mine produces a lot of smoke for the first 10 feet or less and very little smoke afterwards. |
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