Nitro Engines
 

Well, here is my opinion.

What ever your choices are, no matter what you like, look for a company that allows you to get replacement parts easily.

Nova Rossi - I have never had one, but, I hear they are great engines. They last long and I don't really hear people having problems getting parts.

Werks - I have 2 of their engines. B7 .28. I got a connecting rod piston/sleeve early on. No problems finding these parts because I think not too may people run them and the parts are just still in the supply chair.

Werks B7 .21 - Engine runs good, connecting rod are hard to find. Been out of stock for a long time at A-Main. Can't get anyone at Werks to talk to me. They just don't answer. Always recording. Piston/Sleeve are o.k.

Both the Werks parts - Piston/Sleeve/Con Rod cost almost as much as a new engine.

Dynamite - no knowledge.

Werks B5, B6 - I have had many conversations with people who have them.
I have heard many good things about the Clockwork (hope I got that right) B5, mod engine. I really think the Werks engine(s) are a good way to go, but, stock up on spare parts. I suggest 1 connecting rod and 1 full set p/s/con rod. This way, you can enjoy then engine for some time. After that, look for something new.

Basically what I am trying to say. No matter what you get, find out about parts availability. Nothing suck worse then to purchase an engine, and 6 months to a year down the road, a new one comes out and good luck finding spare parts for your older engine.

Bearings - This can be a touch and go situation. Some engine bearings are
really easy to find, and some are not. Some are cheap to replace, and sometimes you will be forced to go to Bocca (Good Products) and get their stuff but, can cost 2 to 3 times the cost of say TKO or other bearings.

Now when I buy engines, I buy knowing I should immediately look for a spare connecting rod and possibly a full spare p/s/connecting rod especially if I like the engine and plan to keep it for some time.

The only company I have found that I can still get part for engines that were made in the 90s and above is RB Concepts. I have a Brand New Never fired Never turned over RB Worlds S7 (1). I never ran this engine so I wanted to know how one was. I found a really in need of repair used one for 20 bucks. I thought after I bought it that I wasn't going to find parts for it. Well, I went to A-Main and sure enough, there were all the parts I needed. I am currently running it in one of my buggies. I am going to at some point get a spare set for a backup. (Pricy but worth it)

RB is another engine I think you should consider.

That's my 2 cents. May I have some change back please..
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

The main reason I said that was because the case had the RB Killer 9 look to it and I heard through the grape vine it is a force based engine and I agree with you, not impressed at all with any of the force engines. Things may have improved over the past couple of years but it always seems like when you stray away from the quality mainstream, you think everything is ok and all is well and then it bites you in the butt. Just like Go Tech, ran their stuff when they first hit the market when they had the contingency plan and we fought tooth and nail trying to place top 3 just to get another engine to replace the one that was fading at an expodential rate. Then the rumors started of "they are so much better blah blah blah" so I figured what the heck, lets give em another go and guess what, came with the same carb and rod issues they had 2 years prior except now you were getting a rod with the engine so if by chance there was something left saving after the rod exploded, you could put the new one in and get a couple more weekends out of it. Then there was the needle nightmare and you had to cut the lsn back and retaper it to allow enough fuel to flow so it didn't lean out so as soon as I was asked from the distributor if I wanted it done before shipping it or if I wanted to do it myself, I told them to keep them and I was done with that. Then what seemed like more Go based engine companies sprouted up and all claimed to be better from what they learned from GO and yet all were designed off the other and seem to come with the same problems as the people who started these other companies were previous GO employees and all claimed they could do better but all they knew is what they learned at Go so it was no surprise they looked, ran and lasted like the Go's. Just after the Go release was another wonderful company known as STS:rolleyes: Lets not Go there shall we:lol:

I am not saying every engine other than Nova is bad, it just seems like too many people are trying to get a piece of the pie anyway they can and more than not make a nice looking engine from the outside, then skimp on the inside. You can polish a turd but it is still a piece of crap any way you slice it. Alot of engines have come and gone in very short periods of time over the last few years. Most of the engines available now won't be available next season because there will be some other polished turd to replace it:lol:.

Look at the P5 for example, it is still basically the same engine in design as it was in 2003 and there is a reason for it. It's not the most impressive looking thing going nor is it outdated, it just works as it is. It has gotten a few updates along the way but the heart of it still lies within. The quality, longevity, tunability and price point is hard to beat and not many can argue with that no matter what engine they choose to run so recommending an engine that has the track record and reputation the P5 has is easy to do.

I have done about 50 OFNA JL engines...they are Force based and we have had no issues with them whatsoever.... billet piston, well hardened crank, solid rods and killer performance....IMO the best built of all the Taiwanese engines...So IDK where all the Force hate is coming from , but proof is in the puddin and my modified JL's are kicking engines and proving to be quite durable and long lived !

Valid points on most of it but again with spare parts is you want to be careful about what you do with that meaning it is foolish to buy spare rods, p/s/r sets for spares if it costs as much for that as it would to replace the entire engine. You take a $250 engine new and then you look into parts and a rod costs $50, then a p/s/r is $150, now you have $200 in a couple parts for an engine that would cost $50 more to replace and you still have the old crank, bearings, carb and orings, case, head etc. I know the case doesn't wear much but you can see my point. Most engines in my opinion are throw aways. Run it for awhile, replace the rod once, maybe the bearings, resize the sleeve once and when it's done, it's done. Engine price points are so competative nowadays that taking an engine and trying to make it last for years is null and void. If the engine's cost 3 times what they do, it would be a different story providing the parts prices remained the same but that's not always the case.

Now some engines are worth putting parts in for example the Plus28 series from Novarossi. The Plus 28-7T is now like $365 new on amain but the parts are cheap. You can find a rod on ebay for $29 and the p/s/r is $120 retail and you can do better than that if you looked a little. Throw a set of TKO's in for $45 and other than the crank, your engine is fresh for another season so some engines are worth the effort and some are not. You just have to research it alittle before you buy to see what you want to do if you are the rebuilding type. I myself run them until they pop and replace. I upkeep the bearings and the rod but thats it. I send the sleeve to my man Ray A for a resizing when needed and thats it. I don't replace cranks, pistons or sleeve in my personal engines because they last at least a season and usually more on the stock components with minimal maintenance. Most times I get an entire season on the original rod and pinch so if I put $30 in front bearings throughout the season, that's alot. My current P5 was built in Feb. and has not had one thing put into it and it is now October and I will run that thing as is again nest season. I will probably put a new front bearing in it and let it roll. The last P5 I had went 2.5 seasons on the original rod, crank, rear bearing, piston/sleeve and original pinch. I don't race weekly as the business keeps me pretty busy but I def average 4-6 gallons a season per engine. I don't even have back ups most of the time as I put alot of faith in the engines and products I run. Most of my backups gets sold before I ever need them anyway:lol: so I gave up on having them. If it pops it pops and I'm done is my new moto and I have not dnf'd in a race in over 3 years because of an engine failure. The last engine I lost in a race was in 2006 when I split my P3-28 rod like a wishbone on gallon 6, replaced the rod for $35 and ran that engine in 2 1.5 hour endurance races and sold it with 9 gallons on it and the guy who bought loved it so much, he bought the backup to that engine off of me which was identical to the original. Good breakin, good preventative maintenance will go a long way.

Thats good to hear Neal. I have a few of my own JL's out there and they are running strong after some time now so they don't seem too bad but I have been hearing guys have been swapping out carbs on the JL's for other's. Not sure what the reasons are but I remember those days and I always hated doing that because why would you spend less to save money only to have to buy carbs, this or that to make it work. If you have to do all of that, you might as well buy right the first time. If you buy cheap, you buy twice is the old saying.

Not knocking your work Neal or the JL engine specifically, just saying things in general. There is the possibility that force has up'd the anty on some models but overall, they have not had the best track record for quality and longevity over the years. They have always been more of an entry level type engine company and that's fine if that's what the market calls for. I don't know, the Asian built engines just never took care of me long enough to justify standing behind them so that's where alot of the opinions derive from. I lost rod bushings on the 2nd tank of breakin on some of them and of course I have to cover that which costs me time and money because it is not the customers fault that it let go. I have NEVER lost a rod on breakin on a Nova based engine so that's why I stick with what has taken care of me and my customers. To each there own right

What JL are you guys talking about? All the JL's I know of are Picco based.

Never mind, found it.

this one..
http://www.nitrohouse.com/catalog/pr...ducts_id=21551

yeah i dont understand why people will pay more for the dynamite when they can get the Z852 for cheaper...

With Horizon they set there Map prices a little high and the Hobby shop can sell it for less if they want, I know mine does. People should buy from there local Hs or someone that can offer them advice, tuning help etc. I see guys on here all the time that have problems because they bought it from the cheapest online place, didn't break it i right etc.

Rex

Over spending
 

Good Point and case POWERHOUSE

After a build, as described earlier, I could easily see the price reach 200 dollars or more. And after you replace the front and rear bearing sometime during turing the life of the engine, that will surely bring the cost up towards a new unit. Funny though. I have a few older Rossi engines. A Black Magic and a LSK. I found a guy on Ebay who had spare piston/sleeve/connecting rods for both engines, so.., I have several sets and I paid only about 100 dollars. I like the engines and they run exceptionally well. I plan to keep them simply because of when they were built and their reputation during that time. When I purchased the Black Magic and the RB Concepts WS7, (1)(for those of you who don't know, there are more than 1 version of the WS7. I purchased the first version) I didn't use them for about 3 years. I was actually afraid of their power. I had heard they were torque monsters and I had seen them in the hands of a more capable driver and I was amazed at what they could do.

Now of course,times have changed. E-buggies are out with more power then what a nitro engine can produce. I have a Mamba Max system with a 4 cel battery and a 2650kv motor. Talk about fast..

Anyway, (drifting off topic as I usually do) I got lucky to find someone who
sold me my spares. The Black Magic was kinda scary too. Feels like a .28 in my truggy.

(for those who read my earlier post, I hope I cleared that up some. We don't like to rock the boat)

Viva la novarossi !!! :D

:confused: decoder ring please :D

I know of one guy who swapped in a Picco carb...but i think that has more to do with tuning skills then anything else....The JL carbs actually tune pretty decent, just need to know how to tune is all...

decoder ring
 

Twist you ring over 3 time, turn to the left, stand on the right leg, close your left eye and breath through your nose.

quickly look down. That letter is A..
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A.. huh?

please :rolleyes:

no need to be an ass ;) i just couldnt really understand what the heck u were saying :confused: