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Blessami 05-22-2012 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by Nitro Tiger (Post 10653803)
I asked the same question a few pages back but got no reply, I was interested in what sort of gains if any you get with the option carby, doest seem to be many or anyone that has tried it, someone correct me if im wrong.

I have been running the new carb for almost a month now. Runtime seems to be the main advantage to using the new carb.

mblgjr 05-22-2012 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by Blessami (Post 10765050)
I have been running the new carb for almost a month now. Runtime seems to be the main advantage to using the new carb.

And how much of an average increase in RT did you see?

Based on running the same clutch/pipe/fuel/engine/chassis/etc.

Blessami 05-22-2012 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by mblgjr (Post 10765225)
And how much of an average increase in RT did you see?

Based on running the same clutch/pipe/fuel/engine/chassis/etc.

I wasn't able to test back to back at the same track/conditions, sorry.

mblgjr 05-22-2012 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by Blessami (Post 10765351)
I wasn't able to test back to back at the same track/conditions, sorry.

I figured that.

But did you at least put it on the same (or same model) engine? Like a +4 family.

What was your average increase in R.T.

jnorwood_losi 05-22-2012 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by houston (Post 10764450)
At least with the ultra low heads

250-270 perfect

What do you mean by "Ultra Low Heads"?

Teufel Racing 05-22-2012 01:24 PM

It's the new style heads that are on the 4BTT, Bonito, and some other Nova's,

The head sits lower overall than the previous gen of the same engine.

jnorwood_losi 05-22-2012 01:46 PM

Oh, OK thanks. Was not sure what he meant, as I am new this year. But I guess both of mine are that head cause they are the new Bonito and BTT

Hartw 05-22-2012 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by Hartw (Post 10762715)
Dear all, have any one experience with hongnor efra 2080 pipe match with novarossi BTT engine ? This pipe is incl in the Hongnor X3 Sabre kit. Thanks all

Anyone ? Need advice pls... Thanks all.

Dustin 05-22-2012 05:17 PM

What restrictor are guys running on the P5XLT? I have the stock 6.5's in both buggy and truck, thinking of increasing to 7 buggy 7.5 truggy whats eveyones thoughts?

Teufel Racing 05-22-2012 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by Dustin (Post 10766436)
What restrictor are guys running on the P5XLT? I have the stock 6.5's in both buggy and truck, thinking of increasing to 7 buggy 7.5 truggy whats eveyones thoughts?

Don't know about an XLT in a buggy.

In a Truggy I am currently running a 7mm restrictor just about everywhere. Seems to be just about right. I have used a 8mm for all out power or up at elevation (I live about at about 5000 feet) to help make up for the thinner air. I don't think I'd go smaller than 7mm in a truggy on a XLT. Maybe my thought is off though.

merdith6 05-22-2012 09:36 PM

I agree
 
I use a 7mm restrictor in my p5 in buggy, it seems like the best balance.

Sprinkler 05-23-2012 07:15 AM

I just got a new 4BTT from A Main. How can you tell if you have the new style carb? I'm new to these engines so I am not sure what the old style looks like.


BTW...I have a new and used NR9886 pipe for sale if anyone needs them. Just PM me.


Thanks

Chris Reilly 05-23-2012 10:35 AM

The new carb they are talking about is a optional part. It doesn't come with any engine from my understanding. Unless your sponsored by Nova Rossi or someone who will get it for you.

Guillermito 05-24-2012 07:17 AM

Ask Novarossi, and was told that it must be used 4BTT to 248° (120ēC) and 230° (110ēC) to BONITO.

Best Regards.

scrapsz 05-24-2012 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by Dustin (Post 10766436)
What restrictor are guys running on the P5XLT? I have the stock 6.5's in both buggy and truck, thinking of increasing to 7 buggy 7.5 truggy whats eveyones thoughts?

7mm is what I run in P5XLT in Truggy...works awesome with 2096SS pipe.

Hartw 05-24-2012 04:10 PM

Dear all which one is better the 4btt or 4c team ? I see in their web specification the different is on the crankshaft .

houston 05-24-2012 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by scrapsz (Post 10774234)
7mm is what I run in P5XLT in Truggy...works awesome with 2096SS pipe.

That my friend is an awesome setup :nod:

houston 05-24-2012 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Hartw (Post 10774820)
Dear all which one is better the 4btt or 4c team ? I see in their web specification the different is on the crankshaft .

Most difference is in the exhaust surface area of the sleeve/block , intake timings VERY VERY close ;)

Hartw 05-24-2012 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by houston (Post 10774885)
Most difference is in the exhaust surface area of the sleeve/block , intake timings VERY VERY close ;)

So which one is better ?

Nitro$junkie 05-25-2012 05:14 AM

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Nitro$junkie 05-25-2012 05:15 AM

do any pro sponsored drivers run the P5 is it personal choice?? or can they run any motor in the stable ??

houston 05-25-2012 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Hartw (Post 10775024)
So which one is better ?

Personal feel preference

Most of my guys prefer the feel of the "team" over btt sleeve , both are great buggy enginesthough :nod:

tony montana 05-25-2012 09:28 AM

Monty, just. curious if the btt piston sleeve and rod will work with the plus 4 2010 team

houston 05-25-2012 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by tony montana (Post 10777806)
Monty, just. curious if the btt piston sleeve and rod will work with the plus 4 2010 team

Oh yeah

The block is milled on the btt to match exhaust though ;)

Fd2k 05-25-2012 03:04 PM

My friend is having a barbecue in a park and we planning on running our buggies. But the smell of nitro Might bother ppl so we thinking of buying Parma nitro speed scent. They come in different scent like cherry. I think if we used it, it won't bother ppl as much. My question is will the nitro scent do any harm to our Nova or Werks .21 engines?

http://www.shopatron.com/products/ca...1.6091.0.0.0.0

megasaxon 05-25-2012 05:06 PM

Monty, what are you thoughts on a P5 piston and sleeve in an FMS case w/ fms crankshaft?

houston 05-25-2012 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by megasaxon (Post 10779264)
Monty, what are you thoughts on a P5 piston and sleeve in an FMS case w/ fms crankshaft?

u gotta know how to shim properly but




It runs AWESOME , i have built a few

With a lil porting readjustment it really works

megasaxon 05-25-2012 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by houston (Post 10779356)
u gotta know how to shim properly but




It runs AWESOME , i have built a few

With a lil porting readjustment it really works

what does it typically need shim-wise? more or less than stock p5?

houston 05-25-2012 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by megasaxon (Post 10779473)
what does it typically need shim-wise? more or less than stock p5?

the plunge depth of the fms button is wayyyyy deeper , 28002 is the button you should use

i dont recall exactlt what the shimming was but it was like 1.6mm worth to obtain proper deck heighth

savannahmick 05-26-2012 03:20 PM

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savannahmick 05-26-2012 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by nrm1977 (Post 10762911)
Having some engine issues with my new 4btt. The engine has just over a gallon through it. The issue at hand is flame outs. I had a bunch of them Saturday. Now, the only time it was flaming out was down the straight WHEN I would let off throttle. Temps are 230-255ish. Needles both about flush. I'm using the blue carb 6.5mm restricker. I'm also using the c5tgc. I did change to a new plug to see if that prevented the flame outs....no luck. Also, the temp was hot and humid yesterday...about 88 (wi). So, not sure if that could've been a issue....Any idea's?

I am having same issue after switching from Losi Re10 to Nova 9901 with a BTTa and the tune seemed great and ran fastest laps ever. ?????? Edit: I believe I got it figured out and this motor has more top end with the 9901 than I expected because I had same issue with flaming out after WOT and braking but veteran racer that I know told me that the hsn was way to rich 3-6hrs and lsn was to lean a little 1-2hrs. The lsn was lean so it sounded good until right at the end of straight when the hsn finally was in control of flow and it loaded up also made it hard to start(flooded). Anyway I leaned the top about 4hrs. and richen bottom just a little then made some runs and tried to get it to reproduce the issue but it ran 2 tanks back to back with no problems and screams down the straight at 240-250f. Happy I am!

aussies1129 05-27-2012 04:15 AM

bit tricky trying to get a tune on my toro with a good idle I have found that when I start up it idles high and about mid race the idle drops right off and it flames out due to a low idle:confused: engine does seem a bit lean and strong down low and slightly rich up top peaking at about 3/4 length of the straight with a nova 6 plug 14t bell and 7mm insert. any suggestion to get a nice consistant idle? cheers

merdith6 05-27-2012 09:18 AM

Mmm
 

Originally Posted by aussies1129 (Post 10783766)
bit tricky trying to get a tune on my toro with a good idle I have found that when I start up it idles high and about mid race the idle drops right off and it flames out due to a low idle:confused: engine does seem a bit lean and strong down low and slightly rich up top peaking at about 3/4 length of the straight with a nova 6 plug 14t bell and 7mm insert. any suggestion to get a nice consistant idle? cheers

I never could get the toro to run right. I ended up lowering the head a little by removing a thin shim or two and setting the idle a bit high, still flamed out at the worst time, like during a main etc... Just don't run it rich anywhere.

I'm sticking to 4-5 ports.:lol:

megasaxon 05-27-2012 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by houston (Post 10779525)
the plunge depth of the fms button is wayyyyy deeper , 28002 is the button you should use

i dont recall exactlt what the shimming was but it was like 1.6mm worth to obtain proper deck heighth

1.6mm with the 28002 or the FMS button? what about the p5xlt button 28028?

aussies1129 05-27-2012 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by merdith6 (Post 10784538)
I never could get the toro to run right. I ended up lowering the head a little by removing a thin shim or two and setting the idle a bit high, still flamed out at the worst time, like during a main etc... Just don't run it rich anywhere.

I'm sticking to 4-5 ports.:lol:

Yeah another guy at our track gave up on his toro yesterday after
About the fifth flameout, the toros tuning window seems narrow?
But will keep trying:)Cheers

megasaxon 05-27-2012 03:37 PM

my toro seems to have a somewhat narrow window, however the biggest thing i noticed is it takes a long time to get heat in it if you're not using an engine heater. I usually have mine fired and on the track 3 minutes before the start of a qualifier, i get topped off with about 30-60sec to go and it still takes another 2mins into the race before i feel it come in. It always comes off around 235

sickpuppy1 05-27-2012 03:46 PM

I know it not in the league with the engines you guys are running, but any comments on tune and pipe with the lil NB21 econo engine they put out? running it in a truggy at about 800 ft above sea level (Kansas City area)

sickpuppy1 05-27-2012 03:49 PM

have a 086 pipe,a P-3 , a Go 2072 and a mystery pipe Thats been in my box for awhile,LMAO Was away from nitro for about 3 years. Put a few drops of after run oil in it the day before and this little bugger took about 10seconds to start.....has about a gallon of break in through it is all.

megasaxon 05-27-2012 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by sickpuppy1 (Post 10785609)
have a 086 pipe,a P-3 , a Go 2072 and a mystery pipe Thats been in my box for awhile,LMAO Was away from nitro for about 3 years. Put a few drops of after run oil in it the day before and this little bugger took about 10seconds to start.....has about a gallon of break in through it is all.

the N21 is not a real strong engine, especially in a truggy. It lacks bottom end for lugging a truggy around, but if you're on a real low bite surface without short run ups to jumps, you will do ok. Try a pipe that yields more torque to help with that. Also you'd prob hafta run heavier clutch springs and/or run a smaller clutchbell/larger spur to help the feel of it. I ran one in my RC8T one time during a main when i blew up my engine in a qualifier, but i didnt get any time to try different things to make it run/feel better. My brother ran a Losi RE10 on his N21 and felt it had the most power with that pipe than the others he tried(053, 2035, 9901)

houston 05-27-2012 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by megasaxon (Post 10785535)
1.6mm with the 28002 or the FMS button? what about the p5xlt button 28028?

28002 and 28028 are same plunge depth and will use standard shimming , the fms button (dont recall the number) will have to be shimmed quite a bit to run properly


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