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Old 05-18-2019, 06:14 PM
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I was referencing motors because I was breaking them in the old fashion way and they've been good. Have also gotten race motors running good for people at the track as well. This machine that basically blips the throttle by itself and just runs a motor in a box that you still have to watch might as well be in the car. And like was said above, the way it puts load on the engine has to wear out over time.🤷🏻*♂️ And it's not like you can do more than 1 motor at a time and you technically can't leave unattended, I just don't see the advantage of an expensive run stand that gives you no real benefit. The oil bath I've read up more on and seems to be better for break in plus that method you can walk away.
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Old 05-19-2019, 05:17 AM
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I was referencing motors because I was breaking them in the old fashion way and they've been good. Have also gotten race motors running good for people at the track as well. This machine that basically blips the throttle by itself and just runs a motor in a box that you still have to watch might as well be in the car. And like was said above, the way it puts load on the engine has to wear out over time.🤷🏻*♂️ And it's not like you can do more than 1 motor at a time and you technically can't leave unattended, I just don't see the advantage of an expensive run stand that gives you no real benefit. The oil bath I've read up more on and seems to be better for break in plus that method you can walk away.
Well some don't have the ability to run a car everywhere and maybe +1 hour of driving to a track then family, job etc... But a regular break in bench could be placed in the same location as this one. Making that half automated wouldn't be difficult and you can put actual load on the engine. You're also forced to check the engine from time to time, so adjustments of the carb follows naturally.
Going through the different statements they have made on NeoBuggy, LiveRC, Facebook, their web page, from Ryan Lutz etc sure paints a strange picture...

I haven't tried the EBIS so I couldn't comment on that one, but would be interest in trying it at least.
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I haven't tried the EBIS so I couldn't comment on that one, but would be interest in trying it at least.
You may send an engine over, no problem to do it
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You may send an engine over, no problem to do it
That's very kind of you! Right now I'm actually not driving a lot, taking a break and helping out when I can instead, but it's itching to get back.
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It seems the oil bath method is the way to go, no waste of fuel, no watching, and more consistent break in. I didn't know enough about it and just lumped it in with the video of this smart break in stand. I'm sorry for that. Back to this smart break in stand, I don't know if you're trying to convince me that this break in stand is worth it, or your somewhat agreeing it's not. All I'm saying is with the cost of this machine that all it does is run cycles at idle, blips the throttle every so often by itself, warms and cold the head, etc, while you still have to watch it to make carb tweaks and such, wouldn't it be more cost effective to as you say make your own half automated setup which you could easily do or run it the old fashion way in the car, or have it in the oil bath break-in when you buy the motor? I just don't see the appeal to this type of equipment, but it's my opinion and to each his own. Not here to ruffle any feathers, like I said just my 2 cents

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Old 05-20-2019, 12:36 AM
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It seems the oil bath method is the way to go, no waste of fuel, no watching, and more consistent break in. I didn't know enough about it and just lumped it in with the video of this smart break in stand. I'm sorry for that. Back to this smart break in stand, I don't know if you're trying to convince me that this break in stand is worth it, or your somewhat agreeing it's not. All I'm saying is with the cost of this machine that all it does is run cycles at idle, blips the throttle every so often by itself, warms and cold the head, etc, while you still have to watch it to make carb tweaks and such, wouldn't it be more cost effective to as you say make your own half automated setup which you could easily do or run it the old fashion way in the car, or have it in the oil bath break-in when you buy the motor? I just don't see the appeal to this type of equipment, but it's my opinion and to each his own. Not here to ruffle any feathers, like I said just my 2 cents
I was just pointing out that there is a market for getting your engine broken in, whether it's because you're beginner, need to get several engines done before a race, or just live in a place where you can't do it yourself.
This "automated" bench just sends off warning flags because they are contradicting themselves in their different statements, and by any description found by them it's nothing "Smart" or "AI" about it.
Just to give you (and anyone else) an idea of what would be required for an automated break in, you need to run different load cycles at different rpm for different periods of time. You make this in steps and disassemble the engine measuring surfaces for wear and dimensions, then reassemble and continue, over and over, with several engines to back up the information... That measuring equipment cost $$$. Then if you change anything you need to start over to find the correct cycles again, making it only remotely suitable for engine mfg that produces thousands of the same engines.
For it to be more of an AI break in the machine would go by mixture, rpm, load, temperature, throttle input, and the combination of all of those to get things time elapse for different Alpha N and how it affects temperature etc etc (I probably forgot a lot here). But this would make the machine adapt itself constantly and for any engine.
^^This is what you pretty much do when you break in the engine in the car and check temperature, how the engine "feels", sound etc. AI is about simulating a human, not a super human.

And yes, I know people break in their engines idling a quart, or tuning it to 95% and just run it, and get all sorts of life and performance out of their engines. That's not what this is about, it's about arguments and claims made about this machine and an idea of what it would take to actually meat those parameters.

I'm getting of the soapbox now, feels like I've given it more then my 2 cents.
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I hear you. I get the feeling we are somewhat on the same page. Like I said I didn't read up on the oil bath but now that I know more about it the service is a good idea for the money. But this smart breaking stand I'm not impressed by it at all and feel it's a waste of money. Have a good one
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