Wild Cherry

sorry bus, I`m only making a new & better one ....
Stay tune....

FWR

Same rules – Yes, the same rules at all the tracks would be easier, but does anybody run the same rules? If FW ran the same generally accepted race length as everybody else there are still different rules between all the other tracks. It is going to take a lot more that race length to make all the rules the same. Until that happens, what is one more difference.

6 min requires different setups and driving style – Yes, but so does driving on different tracks even if you do run the same length. If people are going to push to run 5 min runs because they would have to setup their motors different, then they might as well push to have the same surface poured at every track also so the same tires and suspension works.

Posting on this forum – Although it is open to the public, RCTech.net does have private owners and their stated goal for this site is a 'true online R/C community'. That means keep the subject on RC. It shouldn't matter who drives where, if someone has an idea the want to share they should be able to post. If someone from the east coast has dealt with something that we are discussing, I would welcome comments. But, on that same subject, I would not expect any comments on RC to draw out a personal attacked by someone else. Disagreeing is fine, but that can be done without name-calling. Even comments that are off topic or look like they are trying to draw out personal attacks don’t' have to be responded to. I have to put up with my own daughters bickering; it is very annoying having to read similar garbage here.

FWR

There have been discussions on a Le Mans Class. This would have multiple classes running in the same qualifiers and mains but scoring separately. This would allow some of the smaller showing classes still be able to race without drawing out the day by having a bunch of three car races. The classes being discussed for this are 12th mini, 12th pan, and F1.
Race length was discussed but I thought we headed toward 8 minutes possibly being to long for the mini and F1. All the classes would have to run the same length.
Another item is the points. Autoscore does not score them separately. Talking with Ritchie at the expo, each driver would have to adjust the scores themselves until the end of the series. I would not change the points in the autoscore program or what gets posted on the web.
An item that has not been discussed yet is prizes. If there is only one entry for F1, it would be an automatic win with 5 bonus bucks. It would also be automatic prize money in the point series. Although giving out prizes is good, people should have to work for it.
Maybe something like only give out 1st place if at least three entries in the individual 'sub' class, 1st and 2nd if at least four entries and all three top prizes if at least 5 entries. To be consistent, this should be for every class ie. Only 3 super nitro entries would only get a 1st place prize.

ritchie

3 simple problems, 3 simple solutions

1. 1/12 pan will be 8 minutes. so the lemans computer race clock needs to be set at 8 minutes. F-1 and 1/12 sedan can choose thier race length not to exceed 8 minutes, i.e. if F-1 wants to run only 5 minutes then call out the minute mark and they can pull into the pits. and etc etc for 1/12 sedan. the print out will show who was leading at each mark, 5,6,7, and 8 minutes, so thats easy enough to figure out starting grid and finishing position.

2. if there is no number 2 position then there is no number 1. therefore no race bucks or points for single entries. the way you have it makes sence to me.

3. stolen from another track promoter....., have fun and drive with a smile.

Korey Harbke

iTrader: (13)

Hahahahaha, I like #3 lol.

Kabala

FWR,

Need to get Busman in on this but, I think we should try and run 8 mins for all Le Mans sub-classes. We'll need to test what it will take to get the F1 cars to the 8 min mark. In the past I have run the F201 past 7.5 mins on an unmatched 2400 NiCd pack, albeit with a stock motor, but 8 mins should be doable.

The intent of running for 8 mins in the Le Mans class requires that you have to think about what it'll take to go the distance. If it means thinking about you strategy, motor and brush choice, ect... instead of going around with the trigger pegged, it should make for some interesting races. If all of the classes for Le Mans were "Open" a driver shouldn't have much difficulty in figuring out what it will take to "GIT 'ER DUN". Hell, that's half the fun.

As for pulling cars off at set intervals, I vote no. Le Mans Classes all run for the same number of hours, 12/24. They don't pull certain classes off at the 8 or 16 hour mark. What about the idea of pit stops?

Here is a senario... F1 car A vs. F1 car B

F1 A, runs a 10x2, F1 B runs a Stock motor.
F1 A is fast as hell but must pit for a battery change while F1 B can go the distance. ("Is it farther to Seattle or by Bus?" is appropriate here) Can F1 B take the win without pitting??? That's a qusetion I'd like to see answered.

Again, I think we'll have a chance to test this a bit during the preseason races in March, and then we can tweak it as necessary and go from there. All in all, I think a Le Mans class is a great idea, and it gives us a chance to try something different.

ritchie

while your post make sense i can agree that it would make it challenging may i point out the conflict in your post.




just ribbing yea.

busman

iTrader: (2)

think lemans class should be open to all [cars] and drivers except novice, think of this as an enduro just like TRCR & Burien, we're just going to run it all season.

Wild Cherry

How bout a saloon class ?

Speedyjay

iTrader: (1)

Although I think that will make some people not so happy......GOOD CALL..... I am surprised it wasnt made sooner, after last year when I saw that truck lose its throttle return, and it took off into the crowd at full bore, smashing into someone's truck (1:1 scale) bumper.....

All it would take is one of those things to smash the right window, or dent the right car, and I think the local businesses might turn hostile to the location

DIALED

iTrader: (96)

Hey Bus, shoot me an email to [email protected]
I have a great set-up on file I can send to you. We can fine tune it at the track.

FWR

8 min on F1 will be interesting to get, as the stock setup only has two gear choices. As for pit stops, I switched from gas to electric last year because I got tired of trying to find a pit crew each week. Although, making it an open class brings the possibility of brushless and lithium batteries. That should get it 8 min.

drfritz

what about running some of those closed end bell motors, yes thaey are not the fastest motors in the world, but you can run forever with one and if the shop get a case of them and had them dynoed, matching the numbers up, taking those to race with, selling the rest for practice lamans or noivce motors might work. that way it's more of a set up and driving skill,than amotor war, and if I remember correct, those f1 cars stock gearing is just about right with one of those motors.

ritchie

some are worried about the cost to the newbie and a closed end bell motor would be a good motor for them to start with it would save them 25.00 bucks per motor, it would also let them work and driving a car that would be easier to handle and setup. as far as brushless in a f-1 i think maybe the elsroc guys tried it and said it was to much power the chassis. i could be wrong on that.

guess who's quote this is and win a prize NOT

And ,

Make the run time longer for the Mod class`s>>> season racers & all with the go fast stuff....

Wild Cherry

Thats me !!!


And

I still say stk will be tuffer and more expensive for the newbie with longer races ........

My o-pin-ion......


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