2012 Skagit River Raceway Dirt Oval
03-01-2012, 08:24 PM
#16
Tech Fanatic
My feeling and that of others I have disscussed this issue with is that the 21.5 seems to be closer to brushed stock speeds then the 17.5. The 17.5 feels and looks much closer to the 19t of old. We are getting rediculous speeds from them. Even in blinky mode. At most tracks the lap counts and times in 17.5 are not that far off mod times. ( except in off road with jumps, there is a definate difference in speed and times between 17.5 and mod but we are not racing with jumps, we are racing on a flat surface. ) Wes has a good point on the weight of the cars, I was not thinking about that but NORA used to spec 27t brushed for the stock night. If the 21.5 is closer on the speed and power to the 27t then the times should reflect that.
I proposed this rule change for 2 reasons. One, I personaly would like to see a difference in speeds from stock night to mod night. Last year the track record for stock night was faster then for mod night ( at least when I had looked). 13.5 is a mod motor. I've tried putting a 10.5 in my car and its really not much faster. I tried a 6.5 and although I probably laughed harder then I had in awhile, I was slower then the 13.5's. You can only get so much grip then the power takes over and makes it undrivable. Two, slowing down the cars will help more intermediate and newer drivers to control their cars, they will be able to feel the difference in setup as they will not be hanging on for dear life out of the corners and down the straights. With a more controlable car, they will have a better chance of following a faster driver around and be able to see what they need to do to their car or how to get through the corners, maybe see what line is faster. These are hard to do diving head first into racing with a mod motor. Also with more controlled cars hopefully we will see less damage and distuction.
Also, this was just a suggestion. I'm not looking for a change for this season. Over the last few seasons I've heard lots of people say that the 13.5 seems too fast for stock. I've heard several times that a change should be made. Nora jumped into the 13.5 as their stock spec motor on the recomedation of Novak when they first came out. I've heard this before and Jim even said it at the meeting. So if a change is going to be made lets realy look at what would be best. My thought is that the 21.5 will be closer to the speeds of the 27t brushed cars. I would like to take this season to try both the 17.5 and the 21.5. See how they do. Compare old track records and times to both motors and see which on would work the best. Hell, throw out a beefed up 27t with both and see how it compares. Then next season make the change. This would also give people the time to buget for the change.
These are my thoughts. They are based on several conversations over the last few years I've had with many racers both here and other tracks. Take them or leave them, I will race either way. If anyone wishes to talk with me feel free to do so, I'm usually around. I'm happy to disscuss it further in person.
Jeff Kuney
I proposed this rule change for 2 reasons. One, I personaly would like to see a difference in speeds from stock night to mod night. Last year the track record for stock night was faster then for mod night ( at least when I had looked). 13.5 is a mod motor. I've tried putting a 10.5 in my car and its really not much faster. I tried a 6.5 and although I probably laughed harder then I had in awhile, I was slower then the 13.5's. You can only get so much grip then the power takes over and makes it undrivable. Two, slowing down the cars will help more intermediate and newer drivers to control their cars, they will be able to feel the difference in setup as they will not be hanging on for dear life out of the corners and down the straights. With a more controlable car, they will have a better chance of following a faster driver around and be able to see what they need to do to their car or how to get through the corners, maybe see what line is faster. These are hard to do diving head first into racing with a mod motor. Also with more controlled cars hopefully we will see less damage and distuction.
Also, this was just a suggestion. I'm not looking for a change for this season. Over the last few seasons I've heard lots of people say that the 13.5 seems too fast for stock. I've heard several times that a change should be made. Nora jumped into the 13.5 as their stock spec motor on the recomedation of Novak when they first came out. I've heard this before and Jim even said it at the meeting. So if a change is going to be made lets realy look at what would be best. My thought is that the 21.5 will be closer to the speeds of the 27t brushed cars. I would like to take this season to try both the 17.5 and the 21.5. See how they do. Compare old track records and times to both motors and see which on would work the best. Hell, throw out a beefed up 27t with both and see how it compares. Then next season make the change. This would also give people the time to buget for the change.
These are my thoughts. They are based on several conversations over the last few years I've had with many racers both here and other tracks. Take them or leave them, I will race either way. If anyone wishes to talk with me feel free to do so, I'm usually around. I'm happy to disscuss it further in person.
Jeff Kuney
03-03-2012, 12:44 AM
#17
I do see Jeff's point about slowing the class down to make it more of a drivers skill class and not a speedo tuning battle. My thoughts are the 13.5 should stay as the motor for all the 10th scale across the board. There should be no "stock night" or "mod" night just two race series that run 13.5 motors with motor timing ok and speed controllers in stock or blinky mode for both weeks.
As far as the slider spec class we should make that a 17.5 or 21.5 brushless so we don't keep burning up brushed motors and can run a whole season on one investment of a brushed system.
Just my two cents worth, see you all at the next meeting!
Dick Reece
As far as the slider spec class we should make that a 17.5 or 21.5 brushless so we don't keep burning up brushed motors and can run a whole season on one investment of a brushed system.
Just my two cents worth, see you all at the next meeting!
Dick Reece
03-03-2012, 09:41 PM
#20
Tech Initiate
Having just spent the past carpet season racing a 21.5 on Thursday's and a boosted 13.5 on Friday. The 21.5 seem to a bit like restrictor plate racing in NASCAR. I do not know if anyone has run a 21.5 on our track yet but, I think testing needs to occur prior to making any changes. I do not know how many racers have 21.5 motors but I do know most everyone has a 13.5 or more than one.
I have heard and overheard several folks I know (racers and club members) say the change to 21.5 would cause them to rethink their racing participation and/or racing schedule.
I would hate to see a change that could cost us racers. It is bad enough to think what rising gas prices will do to attendance.
Just one club members thoughts.
Patrick
I have heard and overheard several folks I know (racers and club members) say the change to 21.5 would cause them to rethink their racing participation and/or racing schedule.
I would hate to see a change that could cost us racers. It is bad enough to think what rising gas prices will do to attendance.
Just one club members thoughts.
Patrick
03-04-2012, 12:13 AM
#21
Having just spent the past carpet season racing a 21.5 on Thursday's and a boosted 13.5 on Friday. The 21.5 seem to a bit like restrictor plate racing in NASCAR. I do not know if anyone has run a 21.5 on our track yet but, I think testing needs to occur prior to making any changes. I do not know how many racers have 21.5 motors but I do know most everyone has a 13.5 or more than one.
I have heard and overheard several folks I know (racers and club members) say the change to 21.5 would cause them to rethink their racing participation and/or racing schedule.
I would hate to see a change that could cost us racers. It is bad enough to think what rising gas prices will do to attendance.
Just one club members thoughts.
Patrick
I have heard and overheard several folks I know (racers and club members) say the change to 21.5 would cause them to rethink their racing participation and/or racing schedule.
I would hate to see a change that could cost us racers. It is bad enough to think what rising gas prices will do to attendance.
Just one club members thoughts.
Patrick
03-04-2012, 12:27 AM
#22
at least 17.5 for stock
03-06-2012, 10:09 AM
#23
I feel the Boost/ timing is more of the issue. Cars are easier to handle in blinky mode. Jason ran a 7.5 with a GTB and car was much smoother. I feel blinky mode for stock night. Class participants should determine motor. I feel 13.5 or 17.5 as most have them. 21.5 would be detrimental to classes and car counts as many won't buy them and drop ins would stop dropping in as the don't have the motors. I see no need to compare to 27t brushed as this is old technology, plus I've heard there are no real comparison.
As for Losi Spec sprint, if we still have the numbers to run the class as a SPEC class (motors and tires) then run it. But if they want brush-less motors then there is no reason to keep it, so combine with the other Sprint class.
As for Losi Spec sprint, if we still have the numbers to run the class as a SPEC class (motors and tires) then run it. But if they want brush-less motors then there is no reason to keep it, so combine with the other Sprint class.
03-21-2012, 06:59 PM
#28
RULE UPDATE:
The 1/8E Late Model class is now Official.
The only addition to the proposed rule is the use of Rubber Tires,
Approved Tire list:
Ofna Tire Part # OFN86509
Losi Tire Part # Losa17757-450
Others may be added.
The 1/8E Late Model class is now Official.
The only addition to the proposed rule is the use of Rubber Tires,
Approved Tire list:
Ofna Tire Part # OFN86509
Losi Tire Part # Losa17757-450
Others may be added.
NORA proposed rule for:
1/8 Electric Late Model Dirt Oval
Chassis:
Must be 1/8 production based 4 WD buggy drive train.(Losi,Ofna,X-Ray and so on)
No offsetting a-arms or narrowing of a-arms
Must have dog bone center drive train, no on-road drive trains.
Wheel base: 12 5/8" to 13"
Width: 13" max. - 11 1/4" min.
Any and all parts must be flush or in side the tread width. 1/8 tolerance.
All chassis and tires must remain inside the body.
No metal or carbon fiber front bumpers.
Must have foam on the front bumper.
Motors & Batteries
Any 2250(KV) or less brushless motor with 4 cell lipo
Any 2650 (KV) or less brushless motor with 3 cell lipo
Any 14.8v
Series- Any two 7.4v
Any 11.1v
Must have hobby grade connector!
Must be hard case lipo's!
ROAR charge limit 4.22 per cell max recommended.
Bodies:
Molded one- piece bodies only.
No additional wings, flaps, spoilers, wickers, vents will be allowed.
A hole or holes for motor cooling
Decking is allowed
There will be no metal body parts of any kind.
All bodies must be approved.
Approved Body list:
C&M 2011 "Assassin"
C&M-2009 "Atomic"
Losi# losa8096
Ofna# OFN34046
RJ Speed# 1015 & 1030
A+ one piece
2009 Stalker
2010 Stalker SS
2010 Onstat LM
Side Dam specs:
Running a Side Dam is the tracks choice.
Side dam front leading edge must be at least 4" from center of left front spindle with the wheels
straight.
Side dam can be 5" tall from deck at it's highest point, and cannot extend past rear spoiler.
Must have two tethers at least 8" apart.
Side dam must be on left side!
Rear Spoiler Specs:
Rear spoiler can only be as wide as the body at the rear quarter panels.
Rear spoiler 3" max from deck. The end caps must be a triangle shape.
You may have one fin on the spoiler and two side caps.
The third fin must also be the same dimension as side cap.
It can be located anywhere on the spoiler between the two side caps. The fin must be in line with the side
caps on the front leading edge.
Foam tire specs:
Max tire diameter- 106mm Max tire width- 46mm
All wheels must be 17mm buggy based.
Weight:
8-1/2 lb. At any time
1/8 Electric Late Model Dirt Oval
Chassis:
Must be 1/8 production based 4 WD buggy drive train.(Losi,Ofna,X-Ray and so on)
No offsetting a-arms or narrowing of a-arms
Must have dog bone center drive train, no on-road drive trains.
Wheel base: 12 5/8" to 13"
Width: 13" max. - 11 1/4" min.
Any and all parts must be flush or in side the tread width. 1/8 tolerance.
All chassis and tires must remain inside the body.
No metal or carbon fiber front bumpers.
Must have foam on the front bumper.
Motors & Batteries
Any 2250(KV) or less brushless motor with 4 cell lipo
Any 2650 (KV) or less brushless motor with 3 cell lipo
Any 14.8v
Series- Any two 7.4v
Any 11.1v
Must have hobby grade connector!
Must be hard case lipo's!
ROAR charge limit 4.22 per cell max recommended.
Bodies:
Molded one- piece bodies only.
No additional wings, flaps, spoilers, wickers, vents will be allowed.
A hole or holes for motor cooling
Decking is allowed
There will be no metal body parts of any kind.
All bodies must be approved.
Approved Body list:
C&M 2011 "Assassin"
C&M-2009 "Atomic"
Losi# losa8096
Ofna# OFN34046
RJ Speed# 1015 & 1030
A+ one piece
2009 Stalker
2010 Stalker SS
2010 Onstat LM
Side Dam specs:
Running a Side Dam is the tracks choice.
Side dam front leading edge must be at least 4" from center of left front spindle with the wheels
straight.
Side dam can be 5" tall from deck at it's highest point, and cannot extend past rear spoiler.
Must have two tethers at least 8" apart.
Side dam must be on left side!
Rear Spoiler Specs:
Rear spoiler can only be as wide as the body at the rear quarter panels.
Rear spoiler 3" max from deck. The end caps must be a triangle shape.
You may have one fin on the spoiler and two side caps.
The third fin must also be the same dimension as side cap.
It can be located anywhere on the spoiler between the two side caps. The fin must be in line with the side
caps on the front leading edge.
Foam tire specs:
Max tire diameter- 106mm Max tire width- 46mm
All wheels must be 17mm buggy based.
Weight:
8-1/2 lb. At any time
03-28-2012, 05:04 PM
#29
Charity Race coming soon, we've got some really cools stuff coming from the sponsors, its all for a great cause. Its a non points race so its a good chance to work the setup out on your new ride. 2 heats and a main.
Lester O'Dell
[email protected]
Sponsored by..
RC4Less
Tanager Pacific
Web Designer of www.NORARCOVAL.com &
www.SkagitRiverRaceway.com
Track Announcer for N.O.R.A.'s Carpet oval in Mt Vernon, Wa &
Skagit River Raceways Dirt Oval
N.O.R.A. 2012 Race Promoter
Lester O'Dell
[email protected]
Sponsored by..
RC4Less
Tanager Pacific
Web Designer of www.NORARCOVAL.com &
www.SkagitRiverRaceway.com
Track Announcer for N.O.R.A.'s Carpet oval in Mt Vernon, Wa &
Skagit River Raceways Dirt Oval
N.O.R.A. 2012 Race Promoter
