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Old 06-30-2004, 10:58 AM
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In many other sports/hobbies there are money races and sportsman level races...look at motocross...I have a bunch of close friends that race motocross for trophies and then there are the pros that do it for money. I agree that it is a great way to let off steam and relax. I look forward to going to these races!

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Old 06-30-2004, 11:14 AM
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Another thing to consider....say money races become more frequent. Would attendence of non-money races drop? I know for most clubs, they have one big race a year that really carries them through the year for funding. For the RCCCS, it's the Hank. It still takes a lot of money to put on big races like the Hank and I doubt the club could afford to offer up the money prizes. I'd rather see the money go back into improving the tracks and facilities.
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Old 06-30-2004, 12:02 PM
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don't replace the races that are going on right now with money races...do like Wenatchee is doing, do them almost out of season...either really early in the year (rain) or towards the end of the race season (rain)

then you wouldn't need to have sportsman classes also...everyone entering would know that you have to place in the right spots to take home the cash...if they complain about competition being too tough don't enter the next one. These races wouldn't be meant to gather a bunch of new racers, it would be to display the best drivers in the area...i.e. Supercross racing does the same thing, they don't slow the competition to make it better for the beffinners...
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Old 06-30-2004, 12:34 PM
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Single and two day races should be for fun.......but pionts series would be nice to have a pay out. It would help the racers to travel more and race more, but yet keep it fun for all the beginners that don't travel much....
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Dollar Dollar Bills YO!

The love of racing is just that the love of racing whether its in a backyard, club race, regional race, or national race. Money or no Money the drivers race for the people and the competetion. I think money is just a added bonus to something that is already great.

As far as racing with money on the line, it should not effect the style of racing, A hack will hack with or without money on the line, and everyone knows who those type of drivers are, a good driver will drive good with money or without money on the line, besides if you are hacking to win money you will not win, becasue it will just slow you down.

I'm looking forward to racing for Money in Wenatchee, whether Money should be implemented in more races I will leave that up to the leaders of the individual tracks and the series, I have trust they will do whats right for there club or organzation.

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Old 06-30-2004, 02:14 PM
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$10,000 cash prize - MGM grand - ESPN2 - trophy girls...... we've got a long way to go, but...

I think its a sweet idea - and probably one of the only ways to get full pro sponsership as part of the sport. I don't know of any other sport where anybody other than pro's are sponsered. "PRO" usually denotes winning cash money - in our sport I don't know what "PRO" means other than getting some free stuff my manufacturers - some of the really good guys even get plane tickets.

Isn't hacking just a risky for the person doing the hacking as it is for the hackee. I assume a hacker will soon realize he won't make his way to the top by this style of driving. I don't believe it would be a non-issue, but I don't think it will be a distraction.

In regards to the hacking topic. We need to consider that we are driving an 1/8 or 1/10 scale car at speeds that would equal about 300mph to scale. This, on an off-road track with bumps and jumps. I'm sure there is some hacking going on, but NOBODY can hold a line on an offroad loamy track for 45 minutes straight going that fast. Some drivers seem to expect perfection from everybody driving within 5 feet of them. They expect that everybody is driving the same line and speed that they are. The leader can and should demand an open line from lap traffic - everbody else can use their skills to determine if they should risk a pass, a hack, or to just hang back. Isn't this what will seperate the men from the boyz?
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Old 06-30-2004, 02:37 PM
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I have a question for everyone to ponder, and I really don't know the right answer or if there is one......

Why do you think the manufacturers do not pay contingencies in R/C today (with the exception of a select few team drivers who mostly live in California), like they do in most other motorsports?

Is it because they are stingy??

Because there just isn't enough money in the industry to begin with???

Or is it something totally different????

My opinion.....It makes total sense for them to pay contingencies. Marketing departments use race results to sell products. If you use a company's product to win a race and it is used for marketing purposes, wouldn't you feel kind of ripped off if they are making bucks and all you get is a picture in the mag of you holding your bowling trophy with a $h!t-eatin' grin on your face? I have seen this happen to one of my friends numerous times and that is pretty much why he quit and I don't really blame him to be honest.
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Old 06-30-2004, 03:08 PM
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There was one person at TRCR that is SO.......and I mean SO good at taking people out in front of him, you wouldn't realize it was on purpose!!!! Seriously, very, VERY smooth (and actually VERY impressive really). And, if you didn't watch this particular person race after race you wouldn't even know he was doing it. I remember thinking "man I hope I'm never in front of X"

I don't know if this person still likes to pipe people or not, but true story.

So, for most it is risky. For some, they've figured it out..........
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Old 06-30-2004, 03:15 PM
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Frosty One..............

There isn't an organized enough RC sanctioning body out there with enough pull to put a contingency program in place. Heck, there isn't even a National Series.........

NO contingency program happened without a sanctioning body selling it (or maybe imposing it is a better word) to the manufacturers first. After a few years of success, additional product companies come in wanting to be apart of it and then it becomes it's own thing.

Contingency programs are killer, that is another step.......




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Money racing is alright with me.... then when my [email protected]$$ friends ask, "what do you get for winning?" I'll have a good answer for them.....

No (kinda) seriously, I look at it like playing blackjack at the casino: I only bet as much as I'm willing to lose, winning is just a bonus. But that added thrill of possibly coming up, just makes it that much more interesting. You can't get upset at the casino for taking your money, cuz if you lose it's your own damn fault. I think it would also draw more new people to the sport that would normally pass it up if there was money on the line.

Unfortunately, not everyone would see it this way........

The punting would probably go up to the NFL level in the payout classes, if you've ever watched the paid drivers race you know what I'm talking about. I think the reason it was not a problem at the 2002 Northwest Summer Blast was because the payouts simply weren't big enough to justify it. But I assume there would definitely be contact rules and judges (or better yet videotaping) in place to keep this to a minimum.

Maybe possibly splitting the classes to pro (payout) and sportsman (non-payout) would be needed.... like Dylan said make it kind of like a manufacturer's exhibition class to showcase the best drivers and equipment or anyone else willing to try their luck.
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Old 06-30-2004, 07:23 PM
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from a on road point of view, take a look at the tamiya series, no entry fee, free t-shirts, prizes and give aways, and if you win you get a car kit, which some trade in for credit towards something else they would rather have, all that, and its some of the cleanest and closest racing around.
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Old 06-30-2004, 08:58 PM
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i will only say one thing....HACKFEST...plain and simple, its bad enough most races are like this with trophies.
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Old 06-30-2004, 09:25 PM
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Sorry this one is so big!!!!
I'm all for racing for money, it's nice to get a little back. My question to everyone putting on these races is... did Roar change the rules in the last couple years???
Roar Rule Book 2002 edition
"2-82: No cash prizes are allowed at ROAR ‘Sanctioned’ events. Any ROAR driver participating in
such an event will have his membership revoked, and will not be eligible for reinstatement for a
period of one year. Any ROAR Club conducting such an event will have its annual club
membership voided and will be barred from holding a ROAR ‘Sanctioned’ event for a period of
one year from the violating event.
2-83: Merchandise, whether donated or purchased, may not be given as race awards. The use of
merchandise certificates as race awards by a club is permitted, but the cash value cannot exceed
the cost of an appropriate award. Door prizes donated by manufacturers must be given away
using a random selection process. Selling raffle tickets for donated door prizes is prohibited.
Selling raffle tickets for organizer purchased prizes is allowed.

I guess one could look at it as, if we're only going to follow the convienient rules then a little hack or "rub" to take the lead will be OK???? Even though those people suck hard.
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Old 06-30-2004, 10:57 PM
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ok well i gotta get in on this....cause as far as cash payouts goes...when was the last time that u were on the stand thinkin"oh man i gotta pass him so that i can get that bigger trophy"???? durin the main if u have enough time to think bout the money and still keep up wit the guy in front of u to hack him...i gotta hand it to ya!!!!

and a solution for that would not to make the payouts between 1 2 3 and so on such a big interval....jus make $10 between places...and if u that stoked over ten bucks...then maby its not all worth it to start wit

P.S. i think that is the most thoughtful thing that ive ever posted
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Old 06-30-2004, 10:59 PM
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and, oh!!! do i remember all the whining because i wouldn't sell raffle tickets for donated prizes.

A money race isn't a "sanctioned event". or wouldn't ever be approved.

If the ROAR police show up, I'll gladly give them my card.

2-82 applies to a "sanctioned" race right? Hey, what are the "sanctioned " races in the Northwest anyway?

2-83 applies to a "sanctioned" race right? Hey, what are the "sanctioned " races in the Northwest anyway?


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