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Old 08-06-2013, 10:51 AM
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Pretty sure mixed classes will not work. Especially anything with pan/TC and anything mixed with open wheel F1.... WGT record was 2 seconds off Mod TC ....
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:14 PM
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I don't really like to talk about classes I don't run (except my crazy foam F1 idea, oops). But F1, Scale Spec, WGT, and Mod Touring are very, very different. F1 and Scale Spec lap times are very similar, but their speeds are different. I'd foresee a lot of broken F1 cars. Although, that being said, I think Mark Brown did run an F1 car in Scale Spec a couple times a couple years ago, but just in the qualifiers for track time. He's got the wheel skills to keep his nose clean, too. Scale Spec was also a smaller class back then.

WGT and Mod TC may be similar in lap times, but the WGT cars have obscene corner speed, and top out very early on the straights. The Mod TC's have to practically stop in the corners by comparison, and are rocket ships on the straights. So you'd get this horrible corner-to-corner accordion going on that wouldn't be fun for anyone, and inevitably mistakes would be made, and cars would get broken.

EDIT: Oh, the main thing I was going to say is that I think "5 for a class" for WGT and F1 is fine. If there's enough people, they deserve their place in the program.

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What FDR are folks running in VTA/Scale Spec (25.5 right?)?
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Old 08-06-2013, 01:32 PM
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After doing the full season in VTA last year- I found that a FDR of somewhere between 3.4 to 3.6 was about right with the 25.5 motors. More skilled drivers going closer to 3.4 because they know how to keep up the corner speeds. Less perfect driver would want to stick closer to 3.6 to benefit from more acceleration. Also most people seemed to set the timing pretty high- 40 deg. or more with that Novak motor. Thats my 2 cents worth.
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Old 08-06-2013, 04:32 PM
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It really does mess with everyone's run regardless of the class, f1 or wgt, it would turn into the f1 guys going wide at least once a lap and it would be frustratin and probly kill the class
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Old 08-06-2013, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JayBee
What FDR are folks running in VTA/Scale Spec (25.5 right?)?
Carpet is 25.5 Novak only (other brands not allowed). For outdoor, it's any brand 21.5.

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After doing the full season in VTA last year- I found that a FDR of somewhere between 3.4 to 3.6 was about right with the 25.5 motors. More skilled drivers going closer to 3.4 because they know how to keep up the corner speeds. Less perfect driver would want to stick closer to 3.6 to benefit from more acceleration. Also most people seemed to set the timing pretty high- 40 deg. or more with that Novak motor. Thats my 2 cents worth.
That's about what I found, too. I ran 3.6 for most of the season. Although interestingly, for the last race, in both 17.5 and 25.5, I went up like two teeth on my pinion (so like 4.0->3.8 in 17.5 and 3.6->3.4 in 25.5). Despite having advocated a higher (number) final drive for that layout, I felt like I actually had both more grunt and more top end. My lap times were a tenth or two better, as well. Maybe it's because I had the cars (and myself) working better by the last race, and was carrying more corner speed.

Anyway, I'd say 3.6 with about 40* is a pretty safe place to start. Go down on gear and up on timing from there as temperatures and lap times allow. Motor fan is strongly suggested.

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Just popped on and I gotta say I miss racing with everybody. I been contemplating getting another car but then I look at what it would cost to buy back into to hobby and its scary
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Just popped on and I gotta say I miss racing with everybody. I been contemplating getting another car but then I look at what it would cost to buy back into to hobby and its scary
what class would you want back into?
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Originally Posted by Ziggo
After doing the full season in VTA last year- I found that a FDR of somewhere between 3.4 to 3.6 was about right with the 25.5 motors. More skilled drivers going closer to 3.4 because they know how to keep up the corner speeds. Less perfect driver would want to stick closer to 3.6 to benefit from more acceleration. Also most people seemed to set the timing pretty high- 40 deg. or more with that Novak motor. Thats my 2 cents worth.
Originally Posted by grippgoat
Carpet is 25.5 Novak only (other brands not allowed). For outdoor, it's any brand 21.5.



That's about what I found, too. I ran 3.6 for most of the season. Although interestingly, for the last race, in both 17.5 and 25.5, I went up like two teeth on my pinion (so like 4.0->3.8 in 17.5 and 3.6->3.4 in 25.5). Despite having advocated a higher (number) final drive for that layout, I felt like I actually had both more grunt and more top end. My lap times were a tenth or two better, as well. Maybe it's because I had the cars (and myself) working better by the last race, and was carrying more corner speed.

Anyway, I'd say 3.6 with about 40* is a pretty safe place to start. Go down on gear and up on timing from there as temperatures and lap times allow. Motor fan is strongly suggested.

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Originally Posted by JayBee
Thanks guys.

Finally finish her up today. FDR is 3.5. Went with the A700 instead of the TC4; that tub is brutal, was giving me a headache. Kinda messy wiring but oh well....
woooo that's a'lotta car for scale spec.
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You won't regret it. The A700 is brutally fast in scale spec.

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Originally Posted by cementsurfer86
woooo that's a'lotta car for scale spec.
Its not polite to peer into other racers wallets
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Originally Posted by cementsurfer86
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