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Old 11-09-2011, 08:52 AM
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One of our racers just asked about the "health club" style rc facility. Basically sell memberships to a track that is likely not staffed, no shop, just track and pit space. The costs to operate vs the income, high season vs low season. 5 year lease. I feel it would work during high season, but low season it would tank. I've looked at this format for a couple of years and don't see it working. RC tracks need at least 5 to 6000sqft, that's a lot of square footage that makes very little return. Wa St has 9.5% sales tax out of Seattle to anywhere in the state, so an online hobby shop with competitive pricing will get stabbed with tax. To have a chance, all sales will have to go out of state. Wa St has been trying for years to apply destination tax to out of state online sales. So in a nut shell, we are not in a tax friendly state to operate a full time carpet rc facility that could maintain consistent activity.

So in the meantime we have to wait patiently for a lucky lotto winner who's passionate about carpet racing to erect a carpet mecca next door to where everyone lives.

Man! I am sure glad we have H30!!! See everyone tonight.
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There was a possibility of a full time carpet track a year or so ago, the forum wasn't very receptive. It went away.
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Old 11-09-2011, 09:49 AM
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We dont need a permanant track Opening a permanent facility in spite trying to branch away will never recieve a receptive response.
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Originally Posted by Slapmaster6000

So in the meantime we have to wait patiently for a lucky lotto winner who's passionate about carpet racing to erect a carpet mecca next door to where everyone lives.

Man! I am sure glad we have H30!!! See everyone tonight.

is that all we need, I'll go buy a ticket right now.

see ya tonight.

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Old 11-09-2011, 09:57 AM
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Garrett-So when are you gonna make your Hangar debut? i wanna see you an wes throwdown. Who ever looses has to run his next heat race with his pants down, ala not hitting it past the womens tee's. My money is on Garrett as he will rope a dope wes into a mistake
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Originally Posted by Slapmaster6000
One of our racers just asked about the "health club" style rc facility. Basically sell memberships to a track that is likely not staffed, no shop, just track and pit space. The costs to operate vs the income, high season vs low season. 5 year lease. I feel it would work during high season, but low season it would tank. I've looked at this format for a couple of years and don't see it working. RC tracks need at least 5 to 6000sqft, that's a lot of square footage that makes very little return. Wa St has 9.5% sales tax out of Seattle to anywhere in the state, so an online hobby shop with competitive pricing will get stabbed with tax. To have a chance, all sales will have to go out of state. Wa St has been trying for years to apply destination tax to out of state online sales. So in a nut shell, we are not in a tax friendly state to operate a full time carpet rc facility that could maintain consistent activity.

So in the meantime we have to wait patiently for a lucky lotto winner who's passionate about carpet racing to erect a carpet mecca next door to where everyone lives.

Man! I am sure glad we have H30!!! See everyone tonight.
Amen Brian!
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by skypilot
There was a possibility of a full time carpet track a year or so ago, the forum wasn't very receptive. It went away.
I'd be willing to pay $50-$80 a month membership if a permanent on-road track opened close by. I'd even pay seperate $10 race fees.
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Anyone who opens a permanent facility in this area needs enough money to not be afraid of scaring away those who are easily butthurt.

Because we are an easily butthurt crowd.
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:13 AM
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2011

August 24-pre-season meeting

September 14 – club race Q1 Q2 Mains

September 18 (Sunday) - Indian Summer Indoor H30 Q1 Q3 Mains

September 28 – club race Q1 Q2 Mains

October 12 - club race Q1 Q2 Mains

October 26 – club race Q1 Q2 Mains

October 29 (Saturday) - All Hallows Indoor H30 Q1 Q2 Q3 Mains

November 2 – Benchcraft Seminar: Pan Cars

November 9- club race

November 23 – club race

November 26 (Saturday) – Thanksgiving Indoor H30

December 14 - club race

December 17 (Saturday) – Advent Indoor H30

2012

January 11 – club race

January 14 - Icebox Indoor

January 25 - club race

February 8 – club race

February 11 (Saturday) - Valentine’s Indoor

February 22 - club race

March 10, 11(Saturday & Sunday) – Emerald City Classic H30

March 14 – club race

March 28 – club race

April 11 - club race

April 14 (Saturday) - Rainy April Indoor

April 25 – Season Finale

If you cant improve your skills with this many practice days and are only satified with rc if you can track rat a facility then maybe its time to re-evalute your hobby choice
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So track rats out there who are not racing this year come on out and enjoy the great racing. No its not a Timezone II permanent track, but our competition level is five star status as is the rug! Leaving the Hangar 30 as the fastest and most competitive on-road track in the state...FACT!
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Please don't take my whole perm track thing wrong.. I was just saying it would be nice to run some on road whenever I/we wanted.

It makes me appreciate to an unth level of Todd's dedication along with the other on road programs in the area that do give us places to "play".

Being unemployed gives me too much time on my hands...

LOVE TO ALL and to all a great weekend ahead at the TZGP!!!

Got space for some Mini Z action? Garage tours baby...
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Originally Posted by jubilee
Anyone who opens a permanent facility in this area needs enough money to not be afraid of scaring away those who are easily butthurt.

Because we are an easily butthurt crowd.
This area really is hyper sensitive. Which is why I think the ideal solution does not involve a shop or a figure head making the calls, as that always ends up turning into a clique and it turns into 'them against us.' Plus without a shop there is no inventory to pay tax and lose money on.

I miss having that third place where you can go socialize with the friends, wrench, race, and bench race.

The health club model seems like a good idea, but it won't work. There isn't enough support in the area to make it happen, the cost per racer would be too high and that's because of a number of economic factors.

I've ran the numbers, I've scouted territory, I've walked away from it.
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