315LikesSeattle RC Racers/Hangar 30
11-09-2010, 02:54 PM
#5011
Jeff we are not a small group that just tosses out the track and and hits the start button when we want. Our club is one of the largest on road clubs in the country with some of the fastest racers in it as well. If we didn't care we would just open every thing up and it would just be a big old club race. We have the local club racers as well as Nation level drivers that race. Some sort of guide line must be set to keep it far for every one.
11-09-2010, 02:58 PM
#5012
11-09-2010, 03:03 PM
#5014
Jeff we are not a small group that just tosses out the track and and hits the start button when we want. Our club is one of the largest on road clubs in the country with some of the fastest racers in it as well. If we didn't care we would just open every thing up and it would just be a big old club race. We have the local club racers as well as Nation level drivers that race. Some sort of guide line must be set to keep it far for every one.
Wise panda speaks the truth.
11-09-2010, 03:15 PM
#5016
its optimized.... speaking of which, I have a box to open.
11-09-2010, 03:20 PM
#5017
11-09-2010, 03:28 PM
#5018
11-09-2010, 03:31 PM
#5019
while approved on a case by case basis, my statement holds true, there are non roar approved esc's that are grandfathered in. while the sxx v2 in NOT grandfathered in, I believe that the post by Todd Mason, President and founder of Hanger 30 and The Seattle Area Racers, has given his blessing on using the SXX comp V.2 esc.
Yes, I was led to believe that approval for the SXX v.2 was imminent, for all intents done, a formality...and we're still waiting. I bought one myself.
Which leads us to the proposed amendment to the club's constitution: Article 6 Section 1.5 When the President jumps the tone, steps on his dick, embarrassess himself, and puts the Competition Committee in a difficult position, he shall be forbidden to comment on rules for a period of not less than one month.
Honestly, I got nothin' on this one. I thought it was clear.
11-09-2010, 03:40 PM
#5020
11-09-2010, 04:22 PM
#5021
Sportsman
The Competition Committee has done an excellent job on this season's rules package. I believe our rules have positioned us for growth over the long run. Real, sustained growth, by emphasizing the importance of the club racer's budget of time, money, and energy. I also believe the Sportsman ESC, as backed up by ROAR's national rules, is an essential component of our rules package. The Sportsman ESC and the Stock classes which it helps define are here to stay.
With an eye to getting people on the track, respecting individual budgets, and accommodating past investments in gear, the club's race rules provide for the use of some legacy ESC's which may not be on the ROAR list of Sportsman ESC's. In all cases, the burden of fairness falls on the racer with legacy equipment. Legacy equipment is to be run conservatively, so as not to provide an advantage over another racer running on spec.
That said, I do not believe there has been a problem with our race program. There is no crisis of sportsmanship at Hangar 30. Racing in all classes has been close, exciting, and fun.
However, it is inevitable that those at the front of our most competitive fields will be under close scrutiny from their racing peers. Whether desired or no, running at the front puts a racer in a position of leadership. What that racer runs, and how he runs it, sets an example for everyone. Fortunately, I believe our fastest guys are more than up to the challenge and can shoulder their responsibilities as leaders on and off the track.
Winning with integrity is one side of sportsmanship. Losing with grace is another. When we get beat, we should take it like men and not grasp for handy excuses (which are only occasionally valid, and usually flimsy) to cast doubt on the legitimacy of our fellow racers' good efforts. But again, I don't think we're seeing this at Hangar 30 or wherever else we may race.
Sometimes, some of us win. Most of us do not, but we enjoy the exercise and improvement of our skills nonetheless. I hope that will always be the case.
Hangar 30 Rocks
With an eye to getting people on the track, respecting individual budgets, and accommodating past investments in gear, the club's race rules provide for the use of some legacy ESC's which may not be on the ROAR list of Sportsman ESC's. In all cases, the burden of fairness falls on the racer with legacy equipment. Legacy equipment is to be run conservatively, so as not to provide an advantage over another racer running on spec.
That said, I do not believe there has been a problem with our race program. There is no crisis of sportsmanship at Hangar 30. Racing in all classes has been close, exciting, and fun.
However, it is inevitable that those at the front of our most competitive fields will be under close scrutiny from their racing peers. Whether desired or no, running at the front puts a racer in a position of leadership. What that racer runs, and how he runs it, sets an example for everyone. Fortunately, I believe our fastest guys are more than up to the challenge and can shoulder their responsibilities as leaders on and off the track.
Winning with integrity is one side of sportsmanship. Losing with grace is another. When we get beat, we should take it like men and not grasp for handy excuses (which are only occasionally valid, and usually flimsy) to cast doubt on the legitimacy of our fellow racers' good efforts. But again, I don't think we're seeing this at Hangar 30 or wherever else we may race.
Sometimes, some of us win. Most of us do not, but we enjoy the exercise and improvement of our skills nonetheless. I hope that will always be the case.
Hangar 30 Rocks
11-09-2010, 04:38 PM
#5023
11-09-2010, 04:41 PM
#5024
I am really enjoying this onroad group!....We can finally give eachother some jabs without all kinds of hurt feelings!
Tub, any special requests....
....We can finally give eachother some jabs without all kinds of hurt feelings! Tub, any special requests....
11-09-2010, 04:56 PM
#5025
Originally Posted by Kody
I could write from memory what ROAR checks but if I get anything wrong its to the firing line for me. So if Wes (who now is part of ROAR RMT) wouldn't mind posting the process of checking a motor that would be great.
First, motor must be on approved list.
For stock motors - look at the "Approved List" of stock motors on the ROAR website. If there is not a tuning rotor listed for the motor application (which only Novak and Tekin have I think) then you cannot swap rotors.
When I check rotors we look for rotor diameter, shaft length, and where the rotor sits on the shaft dimensionally. I'd have to recall my notes but I think 12.5mm is maximum diameter. The other check is of the rotor matches the manufacturer. They are not marked, but we know who's rotor is who's.
We then check the stator using an inductance meter. In the approved motor list you will see a "µH" column. This is the minimum we look for. This tell us if the stator is what it says it is.
In modified you can run whatever you want.
This opens up a can of worms though, do we really want to care about rotor diameter on the club level? Do we want to hamper innovation and testing? Jake wants to play with rotors; personally I say let him. If there comes a time were you are smoking everyone the polite thing to do is to stop.
Case in point; my stock motor setup is very fast....to the point where a few people mentioned to me that "someone else" was annoyed by it. So I stopped running it. I don't want to ruin the fun for anyone else. I switched to the Viper motor and ran just as fast however.
And no...we are not a club of just throwing anything down and running it. But really, in Peter's instance...if that LRP ESC has a 0 timing setting I think it should be fine to run it. We should look at each case and make an educated opinion. Peter isn't beating you because of his ESC, I guarantee it. He is a mod driver that is forced to run stock because of the club's rules, we should not force him to buy new gear to run. It was just a couple of weeks ago we all watched the same car get out motored by Maybell.
If we are going to really start being fickle all I can say is you all better start cutting your wings....I can see most of you are not legal.
On a side note....if we are going to get all ROAR rule happy faced we may want to start enforcing safety rules. NO charging at beyond 1C, no charging in the car, and LIPO SACKS!
