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Old 03-14-2010, 10:16 PM
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:13 PM
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Bleh Bleh, wall of text below. Lets start with the fun.

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We 1/18th at SRCR are discussing an idea and working with Todd about possibly setting up a 1/18th off-road track the same Wed nights as the full track at Hangar 30.

We would have our own program and use a different area of the Hangar, so we could get out earlier, but work with racers from the onroad who want to play with us without interfering with their race and marshaling duties.

We would be using the bare concrete with creating fold down jumps/barriers and such to make it easy to put up and down and store while also not adding too much to the space we currently require.

Before blowing this off as unfeasible or boring, the above videos are from a club using a public hall in the UK.


The big things at this point:

A: Money. We will need to purchase our own lap counting system. There are decent infrared systems ~200 with about $30 for each additional transponder. Thats without software though.

We might need to purchase a dedicated netbook as well. I think a used one can be had for about $200.

Finally, buying and creating the barriers would be anywhere from 50-100 dollars (estimated).

Depending on how many people are willing to step in and if we can get some help from the main club of SRCR for money donation. Im thinking it would be $50-$100 a person to get this up and running (minus the regular racing fees).

For those that people who have a hidden fetish for the third dimension when racing...

B: What class(es). What would you want to see? A mix field of run what you brung? Or something more specific like a SC only class, Rally, and/or Modified Truggy/Buggy? Spec RTR?

What would get you interested to try this?

If you have ideas, we are open to them. This would be during the same seasonal period as Hangar 30, so you still could have summertime with the dirt. This most likely wouldn't get started up to this fall as it is. Though having the program specs, equipment, and volunteer to create jumps and such set aside now would guarantee us to be ready to go at the start of the season.
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Originally Posted by oXYnary
Bleh Bleh, wall of text below. Lets start with the fun.


We 1/18th at SRCR are discussing an idea and working with Todd about possibly setting up a 1/18th off-road track the same Wed nights as the full track at Hangar 30.

We would have our own program and use a different area of the Hangar, so we could get out earlier, but work with racers from the onroad who want to play with us without interfering with their race and marshaling duties.

We would be using the bare concrete with creating fold down jumps/barriers and such to make it easy to put up and down and store while also not adding too much to the space we currently require.

Before blowing this off as unfeasible or boring, the above videos are from a club using a public hall in the UK.


The big things at this point:

A: Money. We will need to purchase our own lap counting system. There are decent infrared systems ~200 with about $30 for each additional transponder. Thats without software though.

We might need to purchase a dedicated netbook as well. I think a used one can be had for about $200.

Finally, buying and creating the barriers would be anywhere from 50-100 dollars (estimated).

Depending on how many people are willing to step in and if we can get some help from the main club of SRCR for money donation. Im thinking it would be $50-$100 a person to get this up and running (minus the regular racing fees).

For those that people who have a hidden fetish for the third dimension when racing...

B: What class(es). What would you want to see? A mix field of run what you brung? Or something more specific like a SC only class, Rally, and/or Modified Truggy/Buggy? Spec RTR?

What would get you interested to try this?

If you have ideas, we are open to them. This would be during the same seasonal period as Hangar 30, so you still could have summertime with the dirt. This most likely wouldn't get started up to this fall as it is. Though having the program specs, equipment, and volunteer to create jumps and such set aside now would guarantee us to be ready to go at the start of the season.

Drew would you look to split off the micro program in it's entirety?
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Originally Posted by mkdut
Drew would you look to split off the micro program in it's entirety?
No and yes. This all started because of discussion with some of the other people that have wives or have to catch the bus. We are going to loose Charles for at least 6 months next fall with his new baby by that time. Phil cant do the late nights anymore (hence why he hasn't been around). It evolved into this to offer something different to help expand the hangar club membership and interest for minis without hurting the current club.

No in that the "idea" at this time is on slow nights. Like 5 or so heats on the carpet side. If we have enough, come and race on the regular carpet with our sedans.

Yes, in that, the off-roads would be specific to this. This has a benefit though questionable, of less carpet wear and tear from people running open wheel off-roader minis (never saw any holes caused by us at Raincity or SIR, but doesn't mean it couldn't happen). Charles wants to do Mini-Z and has a RCP track for it, but that's for later discussion and an aside. We are investigating IR systems that can do both scales though to leave that option open.

Also, should mention, if there are frequency conflicts with non 2.4. Carpet racers get the priority.
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We would have our own program and use a different area of the Hangar, so we could get out earlier, but work with racers from the onroad who want to play with us without interfering with their race and marshaling duties.
At the moment there are guys using the other side to fly. So there is a conflict there as far as the other side of the Hangar is concerned...Is that side room available, the one you pass on the way to the bathroom? That would be of appropriate size too. Just a thought.

As long as everyone is on DSM I see no reason there would be a conflict with them running at the same time, as long as you don't start cross announcing races.
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Originally Posted by Wes Briscoe
At the moment there are guys using the other side to fly. So there is a conflict there as far as the other side of the Hangar is concerned...Is that side room available, the one you pass on the way to the bathroom? That would be of appropriate size too. Just a thought.

As long as everyone is on DSM I see no reason there would be a conflict with them running at the same time, as long as you don't start cross announcing races.
Heh, thats the room we wanted. ITS HEATED.
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Originally Posted by oXYnary
No and yes. This all started because of discussion with some of the other people that have wives or have to catch the bus. We are going to loose Charles for at least 6 months next fall with his new baby by that time. Phil cant do the late nights anymore (hence why he hasn't been around). It evolved into this to offer something different to help expand the hangar club membership and interest for minis without hurting the current club.

No in that the "idea" at this time is on slow nights. Like 5 or so heats on the carpet side. If we have enough, come and race on the regular carpet with our sedans.

Yes, in that, the off-roads would be specific to this. This has a benefit though questionable, of less carpet wear and tear from people running open wheel off-roader minis (never saw any holes caused by us at Raincity or SIR, but doesn't mean it couldn't happen). Charles wants to do Mini-Z and has a RCP track for it, but that's for later discussion and an aside. We are investigating IR systems that can do both scales though to leave that option open.

Also, should mention, if there are frequency conflicts with non 2.4. Carpet racers get the priority.

Would it be the slow nights on the carpet side or the busy nights? It would seem if the carpet side is busy and some of the micro racers had to get out early that having the separate track would help. Beyond radio conflicts(depending on how many people are running non DSM systems) I think the biggest issue to overcome is coordinating the races and if they could be run simultaneously or not. I suppose the issue with running simultaneously would be with racers running both.
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Re: classes in the micro/18th offroad

Most of current 18th scale guys already have trucks in a variety of brands (Xray M18T, Vendetta TC, Kyosho mini inferno), some of the new guys don't have trucks yet. I think most of us that already own trucks would be willing to pick a single platform and buy into it (new associated RC18T2 looks quite nice for example) and go with a spec class, ie. I'm voting for whatever more people would be interested in.
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After paying close attention to lap times at these last few NWIC races, it's pretty evident that our yesterday's 17.5 motors are indeed today's 13.5 motors (as a result of the newer esc's with advanced timing and turbo boost features). But according to the lap times, why hasn't the performance of yesterday's 13.5 motors increased at all, if any?

I ask this because the lap times between 17.5 and 13.5 are nearly identical!!
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I think is comes down to driver and car setup. Not everyone can actually put down the power to go any faster. Plus, our track is pretty technical so its hard to use all the power we strap into our cars. Looking at fast laps... 17.5 and 13.5 aren't too much slower than modified anymore. They are just a whole bunch smoother and easier to drive.

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If you're looking to explain why 13.5 is not a smidgen faster than 17.5, it shouldn't be overlooked that we rarely get to practice 13.5 on carpet or asphalt. Of course that doesn't fully explain the lap times of the guys who do get to run 13.5 regularly (if such a thing exists). The whole scenario pisses me off for numerous reasons, but mostly because it is so much fun.

It's inexplicable.
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Some tracks/layouts have a power threshold. You can only put so much power down before you hit the limit. It takes extraordinary set up and skills to break through and it will often go over looked. A 17.5 car will be far more in control for every lap and will waste very little carpet. A mod will only be faster on the straight but has far more potential to be inefficient in the infield, yielding a near identical lap for Joe Average. The guys that drive 17.5 control on the infield and rip it on the straights are usually the ones we read about often.
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Originally Posted by mkdut
Would it be the slow nights on the carpet side or the busy nights? It would seem if the carpet side is busy and some of the micro racers had to get out early that having the separate track would help. Beyond radio conflicts(depending on how many people are running non DSM systems) I think the biggest issue to overcome is coordinating the races and if they could be run simultaneously or not. I suppose the issue with running simultaneously would be with racers running both.
Slow nights for carpet. And yep, coordinating would be an issue. I guess an understanding would have to be reached that we will accommodate as much as possible for racers wanting both sides. But no guarantees, especially if we get racers from all different classes/heats. I can say that there will probably be downtime between races since I don't forsee at this time more than 2 heats, unless we are going with a spec and open class. So if you couldn't balance racing, you could always come over and practice on the track while your 1/10th batteries charge.
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