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Old 05-01-2007, 09:48 PM   #6316
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lol! I just got mine in today too!
I got a question for you guys. I have the JLR red dot and the IDM evo3. Are they the same motor? The JLR states 1.6 hp and 41,000 rpm and the IDM states 1.4 and 40,000 rpm. The IDM has a shorter head though. I'm just too lazy to open up the motor.
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Old 05-01-2007, 11:23 PM   #6317
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Mine just cleared customs. Should be here tomorrow or Thursday!!
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guys, i just want to check when ur tires get smaller, are u still able to set the ride height to where u 1st install the new tires? i did mine for 5mm front and 6mm rear, but then its like when the tire gets smaller, i can only make it to 3mm front, and 4.5mm rear, no matter how tight u screw down the shock.

i have tried to lengthen the shock length, its ok now for front, but not for rear, so can i check the shock length? and another question is doubt is the shock refilling oil process, normally i filled it to the max, then pump the air out, then i replace the shock cap, but mostly, i can't get perfect similar shock bouncing tension. and some of the oil will overflow out when u replace the cap. hope someone can share some info on this. thanks.
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Old 05-02-2007, 02:58 AM   #6319
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lol! I just got mine in today too!
I got a question for you guys. I have the JLR red dot and the IDM evo3. Are they the same motor? The JLR states 1.6 hp and 41,000 rpm and the IDM states 1.4 and 40,000 rpm. The IDM has a shorter head though. I'm just too lazy to open up the motor.
They are similar I've heard. But the Evo 3 is a fully modified motor and if the bottom end is as good as I've heard, then it will give us a real advantage out of the corners I think.
By the looks of the crank work done too. I'm expecting a prity powerful top end too.

For those who run on low grip tracks. I ran the car on a tight, bumpy track last Sunday and although I had slightly too much off power push for my liking still at the end. It had great on-power steering and a solid rear.

Track: Tight/ Bumpy
Body: Mazda 6

Front:
Speedshot Front: Stock setting.
Spring: 1.5mm TM
Damping: 50WT Losi
Piston Holes: 2/ 1.4mm
Damper Position: Top: 2nd out: Bottom: outer
Toe: +0.5 Degrees
Tires: K Factory 38S @ 64mm
Ride hight: 5mm
Droop Setting: +2mm
Diff: Gear 100,000WT Mugen
Role bar: None
Track 199mm

Rear:
Spring: 1.4mm TM
Damping: 50WT Losi
Piston Holes: 2/ 1.4mm
Damper Position: Top: 3rd out: Bottom: Outer
Toe: -2 Degrees
Tires: K Factory 40S @ 66mm (Brand new)
Ride hight: 6.5mm
Droop Setting: +5mm
Diff: Gear 20,000WT Ofna
Role Bar: None.
Track: 199mm
Top Link: NO shims (Flash point rear)
Wheelbase: 2mm shorter

Clutch:
Red shoes, Red pressure plate.
No weights
Mugen Silver 'Super Hard' clutch spring.
Tension: 0.3mm
Gap: 0.5mm
End play: Minimal. (0.05 - 0.1mm)

Gearing: (ED)
15/20 Pinion
51/47 Spur

I started the day with a very similar set-up but at 7.5mm rear ride hight and 4mm rear droop. With also 2 shims in the rear top link and 0 front droop setting.
This gave a car which was a little loose at the rear on power and which wanted to push just a little, again on power. I don't know about you guys, but I like the rear of the car planted when on power. Gives you more confidence I think.....

Anyway. I changed to the set-up above and the rear was very nice and with excelent on power steering like I said. I think the 100,000WT front diff helped with that too.
If I had a little more time, I was going to come down a spring at the front to try to gain a little off power steering. But I was very happy with the car like this.

Sorry for the long post. Got carried away.........lol

Regards All.

Menace.

Ps. Thanks Sam at Raceday Hobbies for helping me out with that two speed stuff and the advice over the phone. Anybody would think he's not very busy???!!...lol
And YES....he does this for everyone. (As most of you probably know by now.)
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guys, i just want to check when ur tires get smaller, are u still able to set the ride height to where u 1st install the new tires? i did mine for 5mm front and 6mm rear, but then its like when the tire gets smaller, i can only make it to 3mm front, and 4.5mm rear, no matter how tight u screw down the shock.

i have tried to lengthen the shock length, its ok now for front, but not for rear, so can i check the shock length? and another question is doubt is the shock refilling oil process, normally i filled it to the max, then pump the air out, then i replace the shock cap, but mostly, i can't get perfect similar shock bouncing tension. and some of the oil will overflow out when u replace the cap. hope someone can share some info on this. thanks.
Can't help you with the shock filling however, for the ride height have you tried backing off the droop screws all the way? I have found that the droop screws will prevent the chassis from rising up relative to the arms - this will affect ride height.

Try backing the droop screws all the way out, then adjust ride height, the re-adjust the droop.
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Straight line stability will decrease I think.THere are no parts to my knowledge.
Hi Dan, if you are the new guy who has just started recing at Bayswater track, just keep in mind the saying "Rome wasn't built in as Day". There is so much to learn about this fun hobby and the car. Your RTR car should be o.k. without the mods you are doing. Remember, plenty of practice mate and see you on Sunday!!! Remember to speak to the Bayswater G4S specialists ZOOM and Pattojnr for help.
By the way, my G4S arrived on my birthday yesterday and thanks to Sam @ Raceday Hobbies and Patto for assistance. I opened up kit today and cannot believe the high standard Team Magic have achieved; not only in packaging but with manual. Thanks TEAM MAGIC!!!!!
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As the others have said the G4S has a relatively long wheelbase and I have noticed my car is not turning in the way I would like so I have shortened it in search of some better turning. THis will obviously effect the straight line but will see how it goes.
Dan, last round i ran 3mm shorter rear wheelbase. the car came alive in the steering department for sure, but i didnt really notice any stright line stability problems at all. i have found that doing this mod has helped the steering so much, i can now run harder front tires and springs, which has to help in the long run
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guys, i just want to check when ur tires get smaller, are u still able to set the ride height to where u 1st install the new tires? i did mine for 5mm front and 6mm rear, but then its like when the tire gets smaller, i can only make it to 3mm front, and 4.5mm rear, no matter how tight u screw down the shock.

i have tried to lengthen the shock length, its ok now for front, but not for rear, so can i check the shock length? and another question is doubt is the shock refilling oil process, normally i filled it to the max, then pump the air out, then i replace the shock cap, but mostly, i can't get perfect similar shock bouncing tension. and some of the oil will overflow out when u replace the cap. hope someone can share some info on this. thanks.
id restart your setup again, back off all your droop screws. set your ride hieghts and then redo the droop. its quite possible the droop screws are limiting how far you can set your ride hieght
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Hey All.

Thanks to Patto I can now post pix of things on here instead of having to try and right a thousand words explaining stuff........

One of the things I noticed on the car was the throttle linkage/servo horn. The one on the top deck. It would always seam to wabble when you apply throttle and brake.Even though it was housed in a bearing.
I found if you put a second bearing under the flanged one supplied. This seats in the top deck nicely and stops this wobble. The horn then actuates nice and smooth and stable.
Try it....
Sorry about the photo not being too in focus...........hey I'm learning...lol
I think you can still make out what I'm on about.
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Hey Menace, i got mine yesterday and after tonight, i have run 4 tanks through it
the crank work i noticed stright away. bit more agressive than the EVo2. i think most of the power of this engine will come from the crank work Danielle has done. EVO2/EVO3 not really much sleeve work. so maybe a little more imporovement can be made in the future
weather permitting on sunday, i hope to try the motor wiht the Nova 2601/6 fin manifold, and the IDM pipe. so ill let you know how i find it .
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The two speed housing I felt could be improved. As you can see in this photo, some extra material has been milled out and one large bearing instead of the two was also fitted.
This new bearing is 5mm wide so there neads to be a shim between the bearing and the drive pin that locates into the two speed cam. I felt the speed the two speed shaft runs at, (17,000 rpm with stock gearing, 13,000rpm with ED) it's very hard on those small bearings.

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Hey Menace, i got mine yesterday and after tonight, i have run 4 tanks through it
the crank work i noticed stright away. bit more agressive than the EVo2. i think most of the power of this engine will come from the crank work Danielle has done. EVO2/EVO3 not really much sleeve work. so maybe a little more imporovement can be made in the future
weather permitting on sunday, i hope to try the motor wiht the Nova 2601/6 fin manifold, and the IDM pipe. so ill let you know how i find it .
Coooool Patto,

I'm very envious. I haven't been able to run mine yet. I'm doing 12hr shifts at work (AT NIGHT TOO !! ....Not fun !!!)
I did manage to get the clutch on it though!

I'm planning on the 2601 Pipe too. Let us know how the IDM pipe goes.

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Hey All.

Thanks to Patto I can now post pix of things on here instead of having to try and right a thousand words explaining stuff........

One of the things I noticed on the car was the throttle linkage/servo horn. The one on the top deck. It would always seam to wabble when you apply throttle and brake.Even though it was housed in a bearing.
I found if you put a second bearing under the flanged one supplied. This seats in the top deck nicely and stops this wobble. The horn then actuates nice and smooth and stable.
Try it....
Sorry about the photo not being too in focus...........hey I'm learning...lol
I think you can still make out what I'm on about.

now i have heard it all.
a picture that is toooooo infocus.
at least where the battery sits is in focus.
now you have the program to resize your pics. some practice in taking them.
just a bit of fun. try taking the pic further back, and use some ZOOM
sorry, i have had a long day, is it a KODAK camera ? ill stop it now
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seriously, take the pic from a further distance, use some zoom if you have it in the camera. as the flash wont affect things as much. and the whole pic will be infocus.
and MEnace, ill get you some measurement on the TM setup station for you.
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Hey All.

Thanks to Patto I can now post pix of things on here instead of having to try and right a thousand words explaining stuff........

One of the things I noticed on the car was the throttle linkage/servo horn. The one on the top deck. It would always seam to wabble when you apply throttle and brake.Even though it was housed in a bearing.
I found if you put a second bearing under the flanged one supplied. This seats in the top deck nicely and stops this wobble. The horn then actuates nice and smooth and stable.
Try it....
Sorry about the photo not being too in focus...........hey I'm learning...lol
I think you can still make out what I'm on about.
i must apologise for my stupid mood. if i had read your post correctly, i would have seen the NOT before the too infocus. man my eyes need to be more infocus. sorry dude. ill make it up to you some how.
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Well it has been a while since pottery and camera class at school...........lol

I have to go and build a trampoline for the youngster now.......
One of the jobs I have to do before I go away this weekend for the Big race in Cincinatti.
Rather work on the car as it's in a million pieces at the moment

Still, family does have to come first.................only by a neck, but still first.

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