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Old 10-03-2006, 02:54 AM   #2236
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any opinion on the new ED system?
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Old 10-03-2006, 07:58 AM   #2237
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well, if I dont have to buy 4 belts a bunch of spur gears and 4 perimeter kits for each race i go to then its not so bad, so from experience the G4S is much more durable then the previous models?

Even though i have more support for the mtx-4 in my area then the g4s, i own am mongoose, so i am gonna know more about the G4S then a mtx4.


I just sent team magic an email requesting a list of retailers around me but i doubt there are any.

I can order parts from Ace Hardware hobbies, Raceday Hobbies, and Rcmart even tho it involves overseas, but everywhere requires shipping making the parts more expensive, (not saying I will never have to order MTX-4 parts on-line though).

so as u can see its a real tough decision, both are real good cars and both have their pluses and minuses.

also can someone answer those questions for me? just to make my decision easier here they are again

has the steering servo problem been fixed on the G4S? where the servo horn rubbed on the back of the arm in the front.

and has there been any upgrades to the type of plastic? like is it anymore durable?

also has the shock issue been completely solved? and does the kit still use phillip head screws?
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Old 10-03-2006, 09:03 AM   #2238
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well, if I dont have to buy 4 belts a bunch of spur gears and 4 perimeter kits for each race i go to then its not so bad, so from experience the G4S is much more durable then the previous models?

Even though i have more support for the mtx-4 in my area then the g4s, i own am mongoose, so i am gonna know more about the G4S then a mtx4.


I just sent team magic an email requesting a list of retailers around me but i doubt there are any.

I can order parts from Ace Hardware hobbies, Raceday Hobbies, and Rcmart even tho it involves overseas, but everywhere requires shipping making the parts more expensive, (not saying I will never have to order MTX-4 parts on-line though).

so as u can see its a real tough decision, both are real good cars and both have their pluses and minuses.

also can someone answer those questions for me? just to make my decision easier here they are again

has the steering servo problem been fixed on the G4S? where the servo horn rubbed on the back of the arm in the front.

and has there been any upgrades to the type of plastic? like is it anymore durable?

also has the shock issue been completely solved? and does the kit still use phillip head screws?
I've only been running the G4S since March after a 9 year spell with Kyosho but here are my answers.

Steering - I run 2 full size Sanwa EPG's, and have not noticed any steering problems, it may even be the best steering I've come across.

Plastic - far better than the Kyosho plastic, more durable and less flex, not sure if it is the same as the old plastic though, but wasn't the Mongoose made from Kyosho plastic?

Shocks - I have the occational one that comes apart when adjusting the spring tensioner, but that could be the dirt on the threads causing it to bind (me and clean cars mix?)

Screw - A good 95% of the G4S is those hex head screws, but using a very tiny amount of grease on the threads will prevent the heads from stripping.

Sorry I cant answer fully as the G4S is my first TM car, and will be around for a good time yet since most at my club now runs them.
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does the kit still use phillip head screws?
nope, kit comes with hex screw set and a nice screw box.
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Old 10-03-2006, 09:12 AM   #2240
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So from experience is the G4S is much more durable then the previous models?

I own am Mongoose, so i am gonna know more about the G4S then a mtx4.

Has the steering servo problem been fixed on the G4S? where the servo horn rubbed on the back of the arm in the front.

Has there been any upgrades to the type of plastic? like is it anymore durable?

Also has the shock issue been completely solved?

Does the kit still use phillip head screws?
This will answer all your questions, and besides, if you have a Mongoose, mosta parts are 100% interchangable with the G4S, so if you have parts plus the car, you save a lot.
Shocks are the same, but if you've read this thread you know how to make them work perfectly with no ssues.

The G4 S main design changes.

1.- Better transmission efficiency. They moved all the shafts a little bit to make all the shafts perfectly parallel to each other. This can largely improve the transmission efficiency.

2.- Better parts fitting. Modified all the nylon parts & metal parts to make them perfectly fit. No more clearance issues. All plastics are made with more resistant materials. No more stripping threads. The nylon used is of two different hardnessís, depending on where itís used.

3.- New 3mm carbon radio plate (new servo, receiver & receiver pack arrangement. You can easily install servos, receiver & receiver pack now. No more hassles.

4.- Single bell crank steering system.

5.- New alum. anti-roll bar with two adjusters on both sides.

6.- K1488 Universal joints.

7.- New front one-way & solid axle. The front pulley & front one-way is a one piece aluminum design. They are not separate anymore. At the same time, it can be adjusted to solid axle as well without removing the axle from the car (Hard anodized to get the best strength)

8.- New K Factory low friction belts.

5.- 4mm Alum. flanged lock nuts for wheels.

6.- All adjustable rods (turnbuckles) made of stainless steel now

7.- 4mm front carbon shock tower

8.- 800mah Receiver pack included now

9.- Special receiver pack plug mount included

10.- Small alum. antenna rod mount included

11.- Large 5mm bearings for side belt tensioner

12.- New type 3mm alum. 7075 chassis

13.- The rear belt tensioner has been moved to the chassis, under the bottom of the rear belt on the slack side where it should be.

14.- New design black color alum. side plate

15.- One piece alum. engine mount

16.- UFO clutch set

17.- New thick carbon rear shock tower with alum. mount

18.- New rear anti-roll bar set

19.- All screws are threaded hex Allen head

Parts like arms, hubs, pulleys etc etc (mainly plastic ones) are direct fit from Mongoose to EVO to S and vice versa. Belts are also interchangeable.

The big change is the top deck and steering. The battery has been moved to the side to balance the car from right to left. the receiver now resides under the top deck where battery used to mount on a cradle bracket. the throttle servo and steering servo have been moved back so the steering servo won't crash the bulkhead.

There you have it.....Buy a G4S...period

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Old 10-03-2006, 09:18 AM   #2241
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k cool, the g4s has the new shock bladders as well correct?

if the steering doesnt rub thats a plus, I had an issue on my mongoose with rubbing.


k thanks

i will be buying this car possibly feburary or march, Team Magic isnt coming out with anything new right? Because I dont want to buy a G4S then have a new model out 3 days later
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I should probably post this question in the engine forum, but I don't find a Picco thread, and you guys are quick to assist with good info. What would be a good goal for run-time for a stock G4S w/Picco 3R, and Picco/Ofna pipe?

Also I'm considering the new ED transmission system. The logic behind it makes sense to me. I run on parking lot track so it seems that the lower gearing, less rotating mass would be all positives. Anything I should be aware of?

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2.- Better parts fitting. Modified all the nylon parts & metal parts to make them perfectly fit. No more clearance issues. All plastics are made with more resistant materials. No more stripping threads. The nylon used is of two different hardnessís, depending on where itís used.
i really enjoyed my time when assembling this kit.
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k cool, the g4s has the new shock bladders as well correct?
i think k-factory released a new shock bladders which are better than stock one.
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I should probably post this question in the engine forum, but I don't find a Picco thread, and you guys are quick to assist with good info. What would be a good goal for run-time for a stock G4S w/Picco 3R, and Picco/Ofna pipe? .....

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That's a tough question to answer, since there are to many variables involved
Weather, traction, gearing, clutch setting, driving style, etc. etc. but most drivers get around 5min min. to 6 min. max. run time out of a tank in racing conditions with most engines and different cars.

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ok so from what you guys said, I am gathering that the G4S is much more durable then my mongoose? If I get t-boned on the track i should be ok, or if I bump the barrier a bit
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Old 10-03-2006, 10:59 AM   #2247
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ok so from what you guys said, I am gathering that the G4S is much more durable then my mongoose? If I get t-boned on the track i should be ok, or if I bump the barrier a bit
YES YES ..to all of your questions....just get the car and get it over with, you won't regret

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ok so from what you guys said, I am gathering that the G4S is much more durable then my mongoose? If I get t-boned on the track i should be ok, or if I bump the barrier a bit
if you can find my post on Mongoose thread, I have a picture of broken chassis on an minor to medium hit on the pole. I never have that problem with G4S ever since I got it
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The G4S is a very stout car. And yes it can take a hit. I hear some wild stories from my customers about the 'flying" G4S and its landings and the car keeps going. Now this is not something to try to prove a point, however let the record show the plastic being use is top quality.

For the question above about the ED transmission. For parking lot driveing if you are looking for some great low end this transmission is for you. If you are looking for top speed this transmission is for you. If you are looking at doing both with your engine and want a transmission that makes this a lot easier on your good engine, then the ED transmission is for you.

They will be shipping the ED transmissions next week Monday, I should have mine for shipping by the end of the week or first of the following week! Can't wait!

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