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Old 03-21-2003, 12:02 PM   #841
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I agree with you on that.

It is easier to get a 1:8th braking straight. It took me over 1 year to get my Yokomo braking straight with a one-way. The set up is extemely precise compared to 1:8th that I really hate it.

I know this may sound weird but I dont actually use brakes at all. Not even drag brake. These cars are not going fast enough to worry too much about braking and the tires are capable of adding enough sideways drag to slow the car down.

I find it a lot faster than throttle and brake as the car is always flowing. Glen Beale and Walt Bailey were over at our club last year and his 5-port Salven was a lot faster than my RB 3-port on the straight but once we came of the straight he wasnt capable of getting past. I actually was able to pull away on the infield due to keeping more speed in the corners.

But the fact that I run my front end completely solid would explain why I can brake straight. I mean the only movement is in the wishbones flex. Other than that I could be running tie-rods instead of shocks

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Old 03-21-2003, 12:02 PM   #842
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ha ha..

anyways.. if you take rear droop out of the car until you learn to control the brake points you will have less problems witht he car spinning under braking... you must never brake as turning only into the corner... that in itself is hard to master, so if you remove some droop in the rear you will habe a bit of a added push but be able to brake much harder and have less evil problems when you overbrake and brake while cornering....

the more traction you have on the track the more you can brake.. ie the stickier the groove is the more you may hammer the brakes....
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Old 03-21-2003, 12:35 PM   #843
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Don't tell me it takes an experienced person one year to get the car to break in a straight line
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Old 03-21-2003, 12:50 PM   #844
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No, it takes a couple of minutes to set up the brakes proberly and then you are done, assuming you have your car set-up correctly. as modeller says, on a big track, assuming you have a sweeper by the end of the strightaway, you can sometimes get away with slowing the car down by turning it into the sweeper and scrubbing speed of, if that sweeper is a hairpin, you may want to use the brakes. As for these cars being slow to where they do not need brakes, I am not sure that I agree, there is less mass in motion, yes, but from a speed perspective, the laptimes compared to 1/8 scale:s are pretty close. typically, the larger car will pull away a little from you on the stright away, but the infield is about the same speed. Assuming drivers of similar skill level.
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Old 03-21-2003, 02:02 PM   #845
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I usually race w/ very lil' drag brake, but when I need to make a tight inside turn I'll blurp the brake to whip the rear end around on the inside.
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Old 03-21-2003, 02:44 PM   #846
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Mark, it only took me a year because I was thinking it was mainly my shocks and pivotballs so I was constantly playing with them but it will only take minutes to weight up your chassis using 4 corner scales.

By applying lead to the right place on the chassis you can alter how the car reacts. Due to locations of batteries and tank on the 705 it is not as bad because all the main weight other than the engine is centered compared to other cars like the Yokomo. By balancing the car this way you can ensure straighter braking at all times as long as your shocks pivotballs and tweak are set up properly.

Also play with forward/rearward balancing as this will drastically effect the set up of the car.
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Old 03-21-2003, 10:15 PM   #847
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Here's my 2 cents:
Brake before you turn and not during the turn. And if you really need to brake hard, maybe you're going to hot into the turn, try to slow down.
BTW Mark, beautiful track. NIce to see greenery instead of concrete and baren land.
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Old 03-21-2003, 10:36 PM   #848
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Where is the link to the track you are looking at? Wanna see it...
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Old 03-21-2003, 10:56 PM   #849
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Where is the link to the track you are looking at? Wanna see it...
The link is on page 24, posted by markp27 on 03/16/03 at 2:08a
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Old 03-21-2003, 11:10 PM   #850
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Where is the link to the track you are looking at? Wanna see it...
Did you find it? I was wondering if I saw it on another forum
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Old 03-22-2003, 05:14 AM   #851
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Cool about braking

Mark ,,

forget about braking, I'ts a waist of time, just try to slow down the car getting into corners, but try to be more agressive during cornering and coming out of the corner , and you will see an improve in your laptimes!!

sorry about your car, but this things happens don't worry keep the good spirit man!!

cheerss!!!!
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Old 03-22-2003, 02:41 PM   #852
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Hi Guys,

Thanks for all the advise on the breaks!! I appreciate it!!

Certainly on the circuit I drive, I think I'll have to use the breaks - there is quite a long straight section followed by a 180 Degree hairpin and I can't see how I can make this hairpin (carrying speed) without using the breaks. From what I remember from my karting days, this can't be avoided These cars are unbelieveabley similar to karts!!! breaking is straight lines, etc!!!

Above all else, I have such a beautiful circuit to drive on:

http://www.macn.de/strecke.htm

If you look at the picture at the bottom of the page, the circuit is driven in an anti-clockwise fashion. Just before the main straight, there is a beautiful long, open hairpin, where one can build up the speed to carry onto the straight. The best part of the circuit is at the end of the straight, where the circuit turns left - the car loses grip at the rear and steps a little out of line, then follows a tighter right hand curve, leading into the first 180 degree hairpin.
It is important to carry speed through this corner to be able to be quick on the next straight section. This section is very quick, but lead into the slowest section of the circuit: two 180 degree turns. Important here not to overdrive, so that one can carry some speed into the long, open 180 degree corner which leads back onto the main straight.

RoyU: the track is a dream!!! it is a very challenging track to drive. It lies in a forest which is far enough away from any populated area to allow one to drive any time, day or night!!!! I don't think one could find a better setting!!!!

Thanks again for all the advise - I'll use it well.

Cheers, Mark.
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Old 03-22-2003, 05:37 PM   #853
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Markp27 what gearing are you using for this awesome track?
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Old 03-22-2003, 05:54 PM   #854
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Woww!!
what a track man!! I really envy you!! hehehe!! , well i'm going to give you my advice,, or here's my opinion..

in that huge track you sould use a solid diff in the front, kuz you develop too much speed in there and yeah you're right, you need to brake a lot, you only have two small slow turns, so my opinion you don't need a one way diff in the 705 for that track!!

I'ts only my opinion ,,
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Old 03-22-2003, 05:58 PM   #855
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i disagree..

and use lots of brakes ...
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