R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Nitro On-Road

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 02-20-2003, 02:43 PM   #376
Tech Regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 358
Send a message via ICQ to nizee
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Ducati998
Thanx! But I'm getting the 705 anyway, my cheap lhs which I think only carry Jaco but if it dosen't work then I try other foam from tower. Anyway please find out for me if you can. Thanx for the help!
Jaco nitro shoe work for the rear tires. For the front, you have to add some washer on the axle before putting the Jaco front tires.
nizee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2003, 03:24 PM   #377
Tech Regular
 
Ducati998's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Colorado
Posts: 289
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by nizee
Jaco nitro shoe work for the rear tires. For the front, you have to add some washer on the axle before putting the Jaco front tires.

Thanx! But I think Serpent is coming out with a new steeringblock with more clearance, just to make sure does anyone know about this? Also I emailed Serpent USA and they say Jaco should work fine. But thanx for the help anyway!
Ducati998 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2003, 04:01 PM   #378
Company Representative
 
ammdrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 10,597
Trader Rating: 25 (100%+)
Default

yea well we thought the 705 would have that too?

the xray conversion gives you more clearance.. if you must have it, you can get the elligis for less than most, around 8.00 a pair if you are a savey shoper..
ammdrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2003, 08:32 PM   #379
Tech Prophet
 
InitialD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: MORDOR
Posts: 19,679
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Ducati998
Thanx! But I think Serpent is coming out with a new steeringblock with more clearance, just to make sure does anyone know about this? Also I emailed Serpent USA and they say Jaco should work fine. But thanx for the help anyway!
It was first rumoured that the 705 would come with new steering blocks...

I believe they are reffering to the new FC steering blocks (801212 & 801213). You need the new shortened pivot balls (801219). I believe they also come in one set (801222).

Don't know why it needs shortened pivot balls but I believe they are quite the same as the Xray steering blocks with the exception of the UJ.
InitialD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2003, 09:27 PM   #380
Company Representative
 
ammdrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 10,597
Trader Rating: 25 (100%+)
Default

can you postr a link to this?
i can not transfer the numbers on mytsn?
ammdrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2003, 10:15 PM   #381
Tech Prophet
 
InitialD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: MORDOR
Posts: 19,679
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by ammdrew
can you postr a link to this?
i can not transfer the numbers on mytsn?
Ummm, unfortunately only the shortened pivot balls (801219) is released on the products page.

http://www.mytsn.com/products/product.asp?prid=2696

The others are not available yet Don't know why but it seems illogical...

Anyway, you can find them in the reference guide included in the kit (page 11 under optionals) or you can download the same reference guide material off the mytsn website.
InitialD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2003, 08:31 AM   #382
Tech Apprentice
 
Advanti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 64
Default 705

thank you Andrew for the reply.
i read some more problems posted by other racers in the mytsn.com website and found that the 705 has several problems to be ironed out.

1. Nearly all rubber shields of the Ball Bearing come off (one customer has this), ecpecially those in the clutch bell.
2. Front Shock tower mounting is weak
3. Rear side pulley rubs against the Ball bearing causing it to melt.
4. Shock bodies are not as strong as Pros'
5. Battery Tray mounting easily break
6. Roll Over Bar is weak at its mounting
7. Rear Diff Pulley not aligned, required some mod work.
8. Chassis Tweak
9. Improper machined Clutch Shoes (damaged)

Maybe more to come. Having read all these, i feel so sad
Because i now have to re-consider it before tomorrow. I have been wanting to own an Impulse Pro since last year, and right now it seems that i can almost own it but with lots of drawbacks on this new kit.
I am getting so much worries that the kit i 'll be having has a tweaked chassis, bad clutch shoes, rubber shields of BB come off after few runs, shock bodies breaks...etc..etc....
I really cant decide now ....
Sorry for telling all these...thanks for reading...
Advanti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2003, 09:13 AM   #383
Company Representative
 
ammdrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 10,597
Trader Rating: 25 (100%+)
Default

okay here goes..

rubber shields are weaker, smoother bearing shields fal off, fredrick is my racing buddy so we were there together..

front shock tower mounting is the same as i have had on my car for two years, no issues.... ohe( operater headspace error)

rear side pulley does not rubb if you put a e clip on it.... same pulley as the impacts have been running for years, may need a manuel update or change( never even opened mine)

shock bodies are the same as the pro, thnk the first run of parts was a bit off on the mold contents, otherwise same exact shock, I just put a pair together and had no issues..

battery tray mount breaks on install not on function, ie if yu do not break it building it it will not break..

the ball diff always wobbled, it is fine , the owner, operator is a bit paraniod and the car will function and operate just fine... same diff that has run in the impact for 5 years now, in the same rear pod..

chassie tweak, loosen all stiffiner screws and retighten.. should be good to go...

the first batch of clutch weights( not shoes) were too thick, this should be fixed on all following runs, otherwise just cut a standard lutch shoe and install, similar to the old centax clutch mod...

If you want a pro email me.... [email protected]
ammdrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2003, 10:36 AM   #384
Tech Regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 358
Send a message via ICQ to nizee
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by InitialD
It was first rumoured that the 705 would come with new steering blocks...

I believe they are reffering to the new FC steering blocks (801212 & 801213). You need the new shortened pivot balls (801219). I believe they also come in one set (801222).

Don't know why it needs shortened pivot balls but I believe they are quite the same as the Xray steering blocks with the exception of the UJ.
Also i heard from serpent factory driver that this part are fragile compare to the stock steering block.
nizee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2003, 11:52 AM   #385
Company Representative
 
ammdrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 10,597
Trader Rating: 25 (100%+)
Default

have not seen a different block on a 705 yet, have seen plenty of xray fronts, and if that is the offset it would be great ...
ammdrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2003, 03:08 PM   #386
Tech Regular
 
Ducati998's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Colorado
Posts: 289
Default

Well actually Michael Salven the one that told me that Serpent will come out with a new steeringblock for the 705. "The number is 801222, and it is a set, because you also need smaller bearings." "P.S. it goes into sales next week, please ask our distributor "Sprint" where to get it" Anyway Ammdrew, so are you saying that the Serpent 705 is fine? The problem is just in the earlier kits or either some poeples had mistakes building there kit. i'm about to order a 705 and after reading some reply I got hold back. Thanx!
Ducati998 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2003, 04:03 PM   #387
Company Representative
 
ammdrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 10,597
Trader Rating: 25 (100%+)
Default

that is how i feel, i just finished assembling one with no problem, about a hour ago, as far as i have seen also, some of the prolems people are having is serpent inherited issues, it is like a exotic sports car and you need to expect that, not a made for the masses taurus... as long as you are aware it is a excellent kit.. and actually easier to build than any predisesor...
ammdrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2003, 06:42 PM   #388
Tech Prophet
 
InitialD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: MORDOR
Posts: 19,679
Default

Ducati998,

I agree with Andrew that the newer 705 kit is easier to install than the previous Impulse kits. No messy gear diffs to install and the shocks are easier to assemble due to the newer type of pistons. So no more stripping of the piston heads like we use to experience

Yes, I think you're right about the 801222 set that it comes with additional bearings. I remember calculating the separate items and it came out cheaper than the set. I missed out on the bearings... I think they'll be using 10 x 15 x 4 instead of 10 x 19 x 5. It's just the same as with the XRay front conversion. So it'll be lighter overall.
InitialD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2003, 06:54 PM   #389
Tech Apprentice
 
Advanti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 64
Default 705

Hi Andrew,
Thank you for clearing that up...it makes me feel much better now.

To be honest, i am comparing 705 and MTX-3 right now and hope i'll make a decision today. The design of the MTX-3 features a lay down servo mounting position which allows the so-called 'ankerman effect' just like Serpent's big brothers 950. I am thinking if there is any significance difference (improvement) in handling than the conventional type as in 705, RR...
Of course i have taken into consideration of the upgrading nightmare of MTX-3 (i know this b'cos i have a Fully Hop-up RR) whereas the 705 requires none. That is the reason that the 705 first came into my mind.
Advanti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2003, 07:03 PM   #390
Tech Prophet
 
InitialD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: MORDOR
Posts: 19,679
Default Re: 705

Quote:
Originally posted by Advanti
thank you Andrew for the reply.
i read some more problems posted by other racers in the mytsn.com website and found that the 705 has several problems to be ironed out.

1. Nearly all rubber shields of the Ball Bearing come off (one customer has this), ecpecially those in the clutch bell.
2. Front Shock tower mounting is weak
3. Rear side pulley rubs against the Ball bearing causing it to melt.
4. Shock bodies are not as strong as Pros'
5. Battery Tray mounting easily break
6. Roll Over Bar is weak at its mounting
7. Rear Diff Pulley not aligned, required some mod work.
8. Chassis Tweak
9. Improper machined Clutch Shoes (damaged)
Thomas, when a forum is opened to worldwide customers, there will definitely be intermittent problems that would be highlighted. As such, the problems that were posted at mytsn does not represent huge problems of the 705 (besides the side pulley and the roll bar problem which can be solved). If 705 owners repeatedly bombard Serpent with same questions and problems, only then should you be worried. Else, take it with a pinch of salt as they may be isolated cases, bad batches or pure bad luck...

1. I think the bearing problem may be isolated. I race here (high humidity and heat) with no problems (knock on wood). Maybe racing conditions that were faced over there were extreme.

2. Don't know where you got this but the only problem was that the shock tower mounting screws onto the bulkhead did not align properly. I think the guy (one of the first 705 kits) had to drill new holes in order to make the shock tower sit properly.

3. Yes, this is a problem which Serpent already know of and they have already advised on how to avoid it.

4. The shock body problems is what I discovered backed up by one or two people here. The PRO kit comes with the same composite / plastic shock body. There is an optional aluminum shock body which should not have any problems.

5. This problem is only when care is not taken during installation as what Andrew mentioned. There were precaution steps mentioned by Serpent and by Andrew on how to avoid breaking the battery mounts.

6. This is already known. I'm currently using a Mugen MRX-3 roll over bar handle on mine with some modifications

7. I actually could not understand the guy who posted this problem. I personally do not have these alignment problem myself and also from the feedback of the other people who have installed their 705 kits...

8. Isolated case. I think like what is suggested, the guy screwed in some parts that were too tight. Like Andrew, mine balanced perfectly on the tweakstation right after final assembly.

9. Don't know which problem you were reffering to...

Where are you getting the kit from? I thought that Sam is out of stock with the 705 kits...
InitialD is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Serpent 710 Ron C. Nitro On-Road 23347 03-16-2010 02:47 PM
WTB: NIB Serpent 710 aN4rK1 R/C Items: Wanted to Buy 3 06-16-2006 09:23 PM
Serpent 835 JFCJ R/C Items: Wanted to Buy 3 02-20-2005 09:29 PM
Trade in Your Old Serpent 710 Parts for New Serpent 710 Parts fast_it710 R/C Items: For Sale/Trade 0 09-17-2004 12:27 AM
Serpent Impulse w/MT-12 and Serpent Starter box - cheap Solara R/C Items: For Sale/Trade 2 03-07-2003 03:01 PM



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 09:16 AM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net