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Old 07-02-2003, 09:19 PM   #2311
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That's weird, I have never had problems with the Serpent wheel nuts, only other brands.

As for tricks with the 705, do you mean in assembly, or set-up?

I found that posts by IntialD, modellor, nizee and punisher all very informative (not to be too ingratiating...). Read back through them, as there are lots of good tips. Mytsn.com has tons of good info, especially in the setup section.


Couple of questions:

1) Do you find that the front outdrives become chipped where the dogbone contacts them (in particular, the two 'nipples' on the dogbone end-ball part)? Is there any way of preventing this?

2) What spring colours correspond with the various stiffnesses (is that a word?)? I can't find any info on mytsn.
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Old 07-02-2003, 09:32 PM   #2312
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Talking Re: Re: Re: Re: Good answer

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Originally posted by InitialD
Nice Mind sharing your setup? Would be interested to know some alternatives...
Sure.....I`ll share.
40 shore tires...65m.m.
droop...-2 on the gauge
5m.m. ride height
Front end...2deg`s. camber
3deg`s. toe out
35/w serpent oil 1 hole
One way
yellow spring
3m.m. shortened wheel base
1.2 m.m. shims under the front bulk heads as well as under the radio plate middle of car.
Narrowed sway bar by 1/3rd. (Flat)
All the caster shims up front



40 shore tires at 65m.m.
droop...#5
6m.m. ride height
Rear end....3.0deg`s. camber
1.5 deg`s. toe in
35/w serpent oil 3 hole
yellow spring
4.5m.m. shim in top arm
stock sway bar
Tight diff seting
All stock pullys

Protoform 2.1 dodge stratus mounted 2m.m. toward the rear of the car(align the body so the rear tire is 2m.m. forward of the rear cut line) the rear wing is in the middle mounting location.
If you want more high speed stabillity run the spill plates that come with the body.


I hope you will like this...it will make the car steer a great deal and be very stable
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Old 07-02-2003, 09:34 PM   #2313
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That's weird, I have never had problems with the Serpent wheel nuts, only other brands.

As for tricks with the 705, do you mean in assembly, or set-up?

I found that posts by IntialD, modellor, nizee and punisher all very informative (not to be too ingratiating...). Read back through them, as there are lots of good tips. Mytsn.com has tons of good info, especially in the setup section.


Couple of questions:

1) Do you find that the front outdrives become chipped where the dogbone contacts them (in particular, the two 'nipples' on the dogbone end-ball part)? Is there any way of preventing this?

2) What spring colours correspond with the various stiffnesses (is that a word?)? I can't find any info on mytsn.
Thanks for the compliment.

Doen't really understand your question 1, but i guess u refer to wear off when metal to metal contact?

below are the spring rate: -

SER 909414 Orange 1.4 mm / 22.7 mm / 27.0 mm
SER 909415 White 1.5 mm / 22.7 mm / 27.0 mm
SER 909416 Yellow 1.6 mm / 22.7 mm / 27.0 mm
SER 909417 Red 1.7 mm / 22.7 mm / 27.0 mm
SER 909418 Blue 1.8 mm / 22.7 mm / 27.0 mm


Being Orang is the softest.
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Old 07-02-2003, 09:43 PM   #2314
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Thumbs up drive cup wear!

Try buying the hudy spring steel light weight drive cups...they will outlive the dog bones.
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Old 07-02-2003, 09:47 PM   #2315
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That's weird, I have never had problems with the Serpent wheel nuts, only other brands.
Yup, I found that wierd too.

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1) Do you find that the front outdrives become chipped where the dogbone contacts them (in particular, the two 'nipples' on the dogbone end-ball part)? Is there any way of preventing this?
I don't have this problem neither have I seen it before. If you're saying that the two 'nipples' on the dogbone end-ball part touch the end of the outdrives, I think that the dogbones come out a lot from the outdrives at the steering knuckes. Did you put spacers in these outdrives? If you did, you should only put it on one side only which is on the one way outdrive so that the dogbones get pushed deep into the outdrive at the steering knuckles.

The other problem could be that you're having too much steering throw. Reduce it and the problems with dogbones coming out will be less. Also when the steering throw is a lot, the dogbone shaft will rub against the edge of the outdrives at the steering blocks. I think that could be your problem that the outdrives become chipped.

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2) What spring colours correspond with the various stiffnesses (is that a word?)? I can't find any info on mytsn.
I don't have any numbers. But to my knowledge, there are two sets of springs that you need to know. One is for the Impulse, Impact, Vector etc. The other one is made specifically for Veteq. The yellow spring part number from the 705 list a Veteq yellow spring. The difference is the Veteq rear springs are slightly longer. So be careful with those part numbers and if you're looking for other springs for the 705, make sure you get the longer Veteq ones.

The Veteq springs come in different colours. White, yellow, red and blue. Arranged from softest to hardest in that order.

The set of springs for Impulse, Impact, Vector etc (shorter rear springs) have an additional softer spring than white which is the orange.

Comparing these two sets together, the same colour rear spring from the Veteq is slightly softer. Front springs should be the same.
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Old 07-02-2003, 09:55 PM   #2316
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SER 909414 Orange 1.4 mm / 22.7 mm / 27.0 mm
SER 909415 White 1.5 mm / 22.7 mm / 27.0 mm
SER 909416 Yellow 1.6 mm / 22.7 mm / 27.0 mm
SER 909417 Red 1.7 mm / 22.7 mm / 27.0 mm
SER 909418 Blue 1.8 mm / 22.7 mm / 27.0 mm
Ummm, that's what I said... These springs above are the normal springs used by the Impulse, Impact, Vector etc.

The ones that is supposed to be used on the 705 is the spring set from Veteq;

901414 Shock springs (white)
901415 Shock springs (yellow)
901416 Shock springs (red)
901417 Shock springs (blue)

The rear springs are 30 mm which is 3 mm longer than the other set.
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Old 07-02-2003, 09:56 PM   #2317
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Thanks for the compliment.

Doen't really understand your question 1, but i guess u refer to wear off when metal to metal contact?

below are the spring rate: -

SER 909414 Orange 1.4 mm / 22.7 mm / 27.0 mm
SER 909415 White 1.5 mm / 22.7 mm / 27.0 mm
SER 909416 Yellow 1.6 mm / 22.7 mm / 27.0 mm
SER 909417 Red 1.7 mm / 22.7 mm / 27.0 mm
SER 909418 Blue 1.8 mm / 22.7 mm / 27.0 mm


Being Orang is the softest.
I'm using all Impulse spring set (above part number), no problem till now on my 705. If u can find the Veteq in stock by all mean go get it.
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Old 07-02-2003, 10:43 PM   #2318
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I'm using all Impulse spring set (above part number), no problem till now on my 705. If u can find the Veteq in stock by all mean go get it.
Yeah, both should work. But I bet there is difference between both of them. Ralph Burch was the first to use it at the 2002 Texax Biggie and also later on in the 2002 Nats and World meet. There must be something special. If not why did they choose to change and use the Veteq springs?
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Old 07-02-2003, 10:49 PM   #2319
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Sure.....I`ll share.
40 shore tires...65m.m.
droop...-2 on the gauge
5m.m. ride height
Front end...2deg`s. camber
3deg`s. toe out
35/w serpent oil 1 hole
One way
yellow spring
3m.m. shortened wheel base
1.2 m.m. shims under the front bulk heads as well as under the radio plate middle of car.
Narrowed sway bar by 1/3rd. (Flat)
All the caster shims up front



40 shore tires at 65m.m.
droop...#5
6m.m. ride height
Rear end....3.0deg`s. camber
1.5 deg`s. toe in
35/w serpent oil 3 hole
yellow spring
4.5m.m. shim in top arm
stock sway bar
Tight diff seting
All stock pullys

Protoform 2.1 dodge stratus mounted 2m.m. toward the rear of the car(align the body so the rear tire is 2m.m. forward of the rear cut line) the rear wing is in the middle mounting location.
If you want more high speed stabillity run the spill plates that come with the body.


I hope you will like this...it will make the car steer a great deal and be very stable
I forgot to mention the shock positions!

Front.......connected to the bulk head.

Rear.........Upper in the middle hole of the shock tower
Lower on the arm not on the hub!
I also use the new steering knuckles on the front

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Old 07-02-2003, 10:51 PM   #2320
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Smile Springs!

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Yeah, both should work. But I bet there is difference between both of them. Ralph Burch was the first to use it at the 2002 Texax Biggie and also later on in the 2002 Nats and World meet. There must be something special. If not why did they choose to change and use the Veteq springs?

I believe V/Tech springs are a bit longer than the others!
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Old 07-03-2003, 06:42 AM   #2321
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705 Question

Looking at getting a new car, the list is as follows:

1: NTC3
2: MTX-3
3: Reflex NT Team Only
4: G4

and of course the 705.

But i keep hearing things about the 705 that are making me stear away from it. Does this car have any problems? Does this car have a durability issue? Does this car have a problem running a sedan body on a fairly tight track(180x80)medium to high grip.

Thanks for any and all input,

Later,

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Crash, To be honest every car on the market has its problems. The 705, MTX3 and the NTC3 are not exempt from this. But any problems are minor ones which can be easily remedied on any of the cars.

The Serpent is very robust and the materials are made with racing in mind (Not much flex in the plastic parts). I have heard and read a lot of posts from different people that they couldnt get any steering with the 705 on tighter tracks with many twisty turns. I have yet to witness this. Yes the 705 has a little less off-power steering but I have no problems getting it around a 1foot apex hairpin tight in race conditions.

As for TC shells. This one is new to me. At this time all we are running is TC shells and the car handles superbly with them.
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Old 07-03-2003, 08:56 AM   #2323
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Hi guys what the use of pretension spring?Can i use it to compensate the compress rate of spring i.e that so i can fully utilise my tire yet won't scratch the chasis.thanks
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i think im goin witht he mtx-3 becauxei can get a kit with engine and pipe and already built all i have to do is add my radio.
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i think im goin witht he mtx-3 becauxei can get a kit with engine and pipe and already built all i have to do is add my radio.
Ahh...ic....u mean the RTR for beginner?...
Don't forgot your TC body..
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