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Old 10-12-2005, 06:31 AM   #16
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Serpent is brainstorming about a porsche cup in 235mm.
http://www.mytsn.com/publ/publ.asp?pid=11273

since we made the switch to 4wd, drivers are coming back to race this class.
2wd was far to difficult to drive on low grip tracks, and set up was very critical.
Here in Belgium (the land of Ilia van Gastel and Steven Cuypers) we do not give up, we just keep on racing those fun cars.

I always laugh when i see the struggle some drivers have in 1/8 to keep their over powered cars on the track, and the amount of engines that are needed each year in 200mm... OMG
The lack of inovation in 835's serpent does not bother me, their is no need to make it more difficult than it is allready.
More than enough screws to fiddle around with.
keep all the roll centers, front diffs, wheel base far away from this class!!!!!!
Remember most drivers just want to drive, and they do not understand all the possible set ups.
We have an "easy" car, do not mess around with it to make it more complicated.

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Old 10-12-2005, 06:50 AM   #17
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I wonder why not make it a 2wd porsche cup?
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Old 10-12-2005, 08:01 AM   #18
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Oh I think it will be an "open class", so if you want to race 2wd...
If setup is good, and grip is OK they are very fast.
but overhere we prefer 4wd. The Porsche 911 is hard enough to handle, with lack of downforce
In our club,when we where still driving 2wd, there where just 4 drivers left, we switched to 4wd and we are back to 15 at the moment!!!!
And also, 4WD is an Efra rule.
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Old 10-12-2005, 08:15 AM   #19
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I wonder why not make it a 2wd porsche cup?
2WD might work at track like Cinci (the past weekend) or Toledo (a month before).........if they are running at track(parking lot) like Chicago...not a chance.
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In the UK we normally have 4 heats for 235 cars (up to 40 entries!) during the nationals. They seem to be slightly faster than the touring but only just.

I would consider it if there was support from the makers. There is only the Serpent kit raced here. I would like to see a 200m outlaw class in the nationals as well

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Old 10-12-2005, 10:14 AM   #21
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with as much traction that we had at hamilton this weekend, the 2wd's could almost keep up with the 4's. with the weight advantage they might even be faster!
i would love to see the rules changed to allow .18 size motors. we could just about run with the 1/8's then. the outlaw 200 mm sedans with 5+ ports have a hp advantage on us at the big track.
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Old 10-12-2005, 01:28 PM   #22
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Well in Montreal we are still raceing the 835 class.
Not going to le it go easyly!!!!!!!!!!

not crazy about the 710, and our track is not quite big enough for the 1/8,




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with as much traction that we had at hamilton this weekend, the 2wd's could almost keep up with the 4's. with the weight advantage they might even be faster!
i would love to see the rules changed to allow .18 size motors. we could just about run with the 1/8's then. the outlaw 200 mm sedans with 5+ ports have a hp advantage on us at the big track.
I do have the OS 18 TZ modified and tried it on my 835....to be honest, even listed 1.8HP (RCCA even said it was 2.3Hp....) the weigh of the 835 does not make the 18 engine pulled the car any faster.........In fact, my MS 15 3 port is just as good as the 18TZ....but at least, running 5 minutes with that big block 15 is not a problem...

18TZ can only last me 4 minutes......
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If you guys will bring 235 mm class, we can bring very good engines with all our bells and withles (if you know about Palamris Racing). Everything 50% ready to resume .15 big blocks
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Old 10-12-2005, 08:30 PM   #26
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Hi Guys, this year I raced the 710 and I loved it. About a month ago I was putting together and setting up a friends Serpent 835 4WD. When finished at 12:30AM I ran it in the driveway, the temperature was cold about +6 C. Something was very different from my past experiences the car handled very well in a dusty driveway, it was like it was on rails so we went to a big parking lot ofcourse dirty and dusty and had a blast the car was on rails. At our Last Enduro race in Montreal I was overlapping some fast 235mm driver with my 3 port Mega .12, and I was running at 210 F. only. I would love to go 235mm but only if our club goes 4WD and 5-port turbo .15 because I would be very disappointed if a .12 would be faster.

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More than a decade ago, I raced a 235mm 2wd Serpent. I loved the relative simplicity of the car and the inexpense of the class. It DID take some patience behind the wheel.
I don't do gas OnRoad anymore. I raced Offroad 1/10 Gas Truck a few times this year and loved it, but everyone went to 1/8 scale and the truck class was a dud.
It amazes me how people love to spend themselves out of racing. They let me run my 1/10 scale 2wd truck in the 1/8 scale 4wd class a few times. Yeah, the fast guys consistantly were 1-2 seconds a lap faster. BUT, I COULD PUT LAPS on 80% of the field.
Why do people that haven't even learned to do 2 minutes without a crash are adamant that they have to race in the most expensive class?
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Old 10-13-2005, 09:55 AM   #28
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The perfect ingredients for having fun in doing RC: a challenging car to drive (such as 2WD) + a powerfull engine + reliability (so won't smash into pieces the first time you will hit the board) + a good looking body (let's say a Can-Am Lola or anything that looks different from your ordinary sedan) + a reasonnable budget. You can hardly find better that the 235mm 2WD class on all of those aspects.
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Old 10-13-2005, 02:14 PM   #29
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I just got a Impact M2 Challenger preety good condition with a mega.15 and mega pipe.But the only thing it dont have is the pully for the front for the 4wheel drive if im not mistaken the car is 4wheel isint it?
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Old 10-13-2005, 03:33 PM   #30
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Absolutely. I got mine 835 4WD in June and this was by far the most exciting nitro season for me. I've been all the time on average traction tracks and the car is still a dream to drive. I am still limiting the throttle as this car is very fast even with EVO 5 standard three port. I won't even get into how much less I paid for tires and parts per season. Unbelievable. I am very happy and will never look back to 1/10 unless a lot of things will change (which they won't so I am not worried...:-))



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