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Old 09-20-2005, 02:48 PM   #61
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hey fraz

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Old 09-20-2005, 02:50 PM   #62
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Hello Walter I think you might like this.
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Got it, one back at you. Let me know what you think.
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:54 PM   #63
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When you cut VHT with gasoline it makes the track greasy in the middle of the day because of the oil content in gasoline.
Maybe he should try preasure washing, but I think this would all be in vain because of the dirt factor from the off road track.
Do you think that re-painting the track will help?
I'm just looking for a solution If we all work together in a possitive way, I think that we can fix everything.
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Old 09-20-2005, 04:20 PM   #64
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I am working on it Jo.... my wife is so much behind me on this, but when we develope it, it will be one of the best... or we won't do it... sosearching for land and black top from counties, cities, and casinos... see who will help us make a racers track and family friendly track.. There are alot of us in Phoenix that wish to race, but the LHS's don't care... sad but true.... hope it works out for us ....

There is no track that is perfect... every racer has his own idea of what is perfect, so there can't be 100 tracks in one. But what Robbie said make good sense and issues that should be addressed.I to paid to practice and watch guys on race day pay to race then pay to practice. I see nothing wrong with the requested fees as long as on practice days and race days the track is ready, and that includes traction.

If you blow and vacuum good, and then put down VHT, traction will be there...cutting it as mentioned does create the greasy time mid day.... this should be addressed and the point was good...

I still like the place and Dana.... hopefully he will take "constructive" ideas to heart.... It is very easy to criticize(sp-sorry) .... but that should only be listened to if there is a good constructive way to admend the problem that works for "all" or most of the racers.

Brad... that was funny....I miss that...
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Old 09-20-2005, 04:32 PM   #65
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It has raind out their so traction should be easy to figure out that it has been reduced. Cutting VHT with gasoline is always a bad idea methenol is clearly the better choice. If the track has to much traction why not get a spray bottle with just methenol and spray the track.
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Hey Jake... Good luck to you and the family... Tell your dad I said Hi.... See you guys in VegasI hope!?
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When you cut VHT with gasoline it makes the track greasy in the middle of the day because of the oil content in gasoline.
Maybe he should try preasure washing, but I think this would all be in vain because of the dirt factor from the off road track.
You're right about the way the track reacts when it gets hot (with gasoline mixed). I suppose methanol would be the way to go, as long as they don't lay it too thick and heavy.
This is my analogy:
If you spray a dusty track without blowing it off first, you're mainly spraying the dust, making the dust sticky. That's why the track cleans faster after it's sprayed. After a few runs, the traction goes down again because we've pickep up the dust AND VHT.

I think it has to be a two step process:

1. Spray the track lightly. this will make the cleaning faster since the dust will adhere to the tires. (These poor guys who only have time to go there earlier in the day, pay the entrance fee and end up just cleaning the track for the guys in the afternoon) This would also give Mr.xxxx an idea of which parts of the track need more traction. Instead of just spraying it without knowing whether certain parts of the track already has good traction.

2. Spray the track lightly again. Now we're spraying the SURFACE of the track. ON THE AREAS THAT ACTUALLY NEEEEED TRACTION.
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How can we explain that to Alan? I think that the better way will be help him to setup his car correctly, then he will not need to have lots of traction on the tract to make his own car work propertly........lol..............but true
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You're right about the way the track reacts when it gets hot (with gasoline mixed). I suppose methanol would be the way to go, as long as they don't lay it too thick and heavy.
This is my analogy:
If you spray a dusty track without blowing it off first, you're mainly spraying the dust, making the dust sticky. That's why the track cleans faster after it's sprayed. After a few runs, the traction goes down again because we've pickep up the dust AND VHT.

I think it has to be a two step process:

1. Spray the track lightly. this will make the cleaning faster since the dust will adhere to the tires. (These poor guys who only have time to go there earlier in the day, pay the entrance fee and end up just cleaning the track for the guys in the afternoon) This would also give Mr.xxxx an idea of which parts of the track need more traction. Instead of just spraying it without knowing whether certain parts of the track already has good traction.

2. Spray the track lightly again. Now we're spraying the SURFACE of the track. ON THE AREAS THAT ACTUALLY NEEEEED TRACTION.
What is the way that James spray on Crystal Park? What does he use? methanol? vht?
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Another thing is, asking the slower drivers how the traction is, is not a good idea because if everyone drove high 17s or low 18s per lap, NO ONE will traction roll.
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too bad i can't make it too this race and raise hell in the b main.
Francis, just like you, I'm won't be raising hell for the next few weeks due to work sending me out of state. Guys in the z-main are lucky Im not in.
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I think we should spray it like the offroad guys spray water on the offroad tracks. Everycouple of heats we could wait a half hour for it to dry and that will give Dana plenty of time to take pictures and there will be much shorter lines at the food stand.

I think traction rolls are cool to watch, I say spray the piss out of it and build up a nice sludge that we can use as a coushin.



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What is the way that James spray on Crystal Park? What does he use? methanol? vht?
James waits for a few cars to run on the track to get rid of some of the dust. Then he sprays the track very lightly. I don't think he even sprays the track everyday.
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James waits for a few cars to run on the track to get rid of some of the dust. Then he sprays the track very lightly. I don't think he even sprays the track everyday.
Thanks. Do you know if he uses VHT only?
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Thanks. Do you know if he uses VHT only?
I don't think he's shooting straight VHT. Maybe one of the other guys will know for sure.
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