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Old 09-07-2005, 08:21 PM   #556
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If I see one of you guys with one I will get one right away. I still have a Mugen Avance.
Just get one. It will be a good change of pace for you.
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Old 09-07-2005, 08:27 PM   #557
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Also, I'm poor; Where can I get a cheap motor?
Mega, $279!
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Old 09-07-2005, 09:39 PM   #558
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One of the issues you have in california is fragmentation, races are in multiple places on the same weekend and almost every weekend. That is a bad thing because the racers are scattered all over hecks half acre and theirs not enough racers to have solid high count turnout everywhere. So it may appear that classes are falling off and in some places their may actually be some truth to that. However in actuality it may be that because of the issue I mentioned that the turnout at all the tracks is low. I know that their are alot of guys racing in the west because everytime their is a big race it is packed. so the only conclusion I can see is that weekley you are suffering from fragmentation and lack of structure. Adding a budget engine class to 1/8th scale won't fix this problem it will just make it worse. You will be lucky to fill 2 qualifiers in each class if you fragment 1/8th scale. (I'm also not disagreeing that 1/8th motors are just rediculously expensive) Look at how the 200mm racing is at REV, my goodness their is amature, novice, and pro. Its no wonder theirs only a couple qualifyers in each class. Its the same 12 guys racing each other every weekend in ama, nov and pro. I have raced their before and I can say that what I witnessed is guys running amature and novice that shouldn't have been in there to start with.

A structured series is the key to steady draw. The midwest series we run back east has been around better than 25 years. we run 6 races a year with 2 drops Points based on qualifying and laps turned. Which means finishing is Key regardless of the main your in. This means fast guys that can't finish consistantly do worse than the slower guys that are consistant.

One race a month.
Racine wis
Chicago ill
Detroit Mi
Mentor Ohio (basically cleveland)
Toledo Ohio
Cincinatti Ohio

You need dedicated clubs that will travel and support other clubs, not create scheduling conflicts with each other. You also need a dedicated series crew. (you know those guys that do the thankless stuff and aren't told how much their appreciated enough)This is how you maintain 100 plus draw at every event. which we have literally had each of the 6 years I have been racing with them. Yes many of us probably club race less, and most of the drives are 5 hour's or so but the quality of the racing makes it worth it.

after reading some of the recent posts it seems that some areas are struggling and some are not. It certainly seems to be an area specific phemenon. If you look at the entry list for this year you will se that the midwest is certainly not struggling. At any given race the possibility exists to draw over 120 cars. for a 2 day event.

If you go to the site and look at the last couple years point standings you will see the classes as far as draw have been pretty consistant. you will see a big step in 1/8th scale from 2003 to 2004 but we added a masters class so it is decieving.
www.midwestseries.com
PS this is the same group of dudes that pull off the Great Lakes Challenge each year

I wish you guys all the best in stemming the tide of retreating racers in your area.
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Old 09-07-2005, 10:18 PM   #559
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1/5th scale is the true "F1" of rc racing
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Old 09-07-2005, 10:39 PM   #560
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Motorman.......I agree with most of your post except where you say we will be lucky to fill 2 qualifiers if we fragment the classes.......we ALREADY have that. What I mean is we are lucky NOW to have 2 full qualifiers of 1/8.

403........1/5 scale the F-1 of r/c......give me a break!!! I use to run 1/5 and it's FAR from it.
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Old 09-07-2005, 10:49 PM   #561
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yes thats exactly what I meant. It will get worse
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I'm pretty sure most of the guys running 8th scale now are unlikely to leave their current class. The new class is for new drivers. That's why we're trying to get more low buck cars together, so more 10th scale guys would try it out... I picked up an XR80, and I'm hooked.
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Old 09-08-2005, 12:09 AM   #563
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Also, I'm poor; Where can I get a cheap motor?
Me too, I'm looking in the trash can but no luck yet I let you know if I find an extra one
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Old 09-08-2005, 12:09 AM   #564
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Here I'll try to post a link to remind all of us how much fun it is.
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Old 09-08-2005, 12:10 AM   #565
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Here it is...http://www.frequency-rc.com/portal/h...nChannel=Files
Sorry if it doesn't work, if it does click where it says more.
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Old 09-08-2005, 12:16 AM   #566
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It's a cool lil vid of KZ Speedway, Check it out.
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Old 09-08-2005, 07:18 AM   #567
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Nice video. Too bad it was ruined by the 'verbal diahrea' soundtrack!
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Old 09-08-2005, 07:21 AM   #568
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WAD & racing4evo, Cipolla comp AAC $214.95!
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Theres an SH on road engine at my LHS (hobby people) for $215. I know provably the quality is not up there, but...

I had a conversation going last year on the CP tread on the Racing forum with a few of the guys about what motorman is saying. I too think we need a series to keep people interested. I dont remember why it didnt wotk out, but in the end it helps all the tracks that the series is runed on. Heck, if we did a "SoCal Series" we woulnt have to travel more than a couple of hours tops. We have 3 tracks here, 3 very good tracks, the key is to get them to agree to run the series once a month each.

I also remember that a bunch of the guys also did a series independent of the tracks, they agreed to all go to a track on a given sunday and run the tracks clud race, and one of the guys (Bocal I think) was keeping score. Maybem if we all work toegether we can get something going.
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Old 09-08-2005, 08:44 AM   #570
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Don't you guy's already have some championship running or what.

Here in Holland we have the dutch championship, run in 2 classes, which is run in six events, approx. every month, you get points for every race you are in, and at the end there is a winner in every class......

Don't you guys have something similar over there, per region.......
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