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Old 03-29-2008, 01:09 PM   #2836
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hi guys,
just got a used 08 in great condition... it comes with the OS1 and OS2 full set...
wondering have u guys tried running the OS2 offset for the rear as compare to the OS1?? any difference in handling or just a preference on tire choice and offset... any input are welcome... thanks
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I have not yet tried mixing offsets, as in running OS1 FR and OS2 RR. But lately ive been running OS2 and OS2 all around only. With the new scrub radius from the wheel offset, it feels as if the car has more rotation and corner speed with the OS2 setup.
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hi nigel, quick ouestion 4 u, with the os2 rear suspension, is there a special axl you have to use, because i was told, to use the one that came with the kit, but whenever i put it together it just doesnt seem right, thanks nigel
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hi nigel, quick ouestion 4 u, with the os2 rear suspension, is there a special axl you have to use, because i was told, to use the one that came with the kit, but whenever i put it together it just doesnt seem right, thanks nigel
903268, is the axle necessary for use when OS2 knuckles are in place. For the front use the OS2 axles.

If your kit was purchased in the US, it should have both axles as well as both knuckles. Maybe you installed the wrong ones?
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ha, ha no i didnt install the wrong one, i bought my kit from overseas, thanks for the info nigel, man i gotta go get those axels
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I don't understand why the US gets both OS1 and OS2 and everyone else only gets OS1. My track is tight and technical, so wouldn't mind trying OS2, but am already up for alot of money, so it may have to wait.
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I don't understand why the US gets both OS1 and OS2 and everyone else only gets OS1.
I'm waiting for my 08 kit from the-border.com and thats a very good question...
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Why buy it overseas? www.kamikazetoysandhobbies.com got it in stock, and I'm sure it is way cheaper too than buying it overseas
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I'm in New Zealand, so am supporting my local importer.
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Any one tried the Central Lola, Protoform Shadow and Parma R11 and can give me a comparison?
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Central Lola will produce the greatest overall handling for your car. Best balance between steering and stability.

The Parma R11 has a good feel to it too, but it lacks a little bit of steering in comparison to the Central Lola.

The shadow's capabilities are fairly limited as far as what ive seen, felt. For the body to work like a Central or a R11, much suspension tuning is required for the car to reachieve the steering lost from the downforce produced by the body. Although the body doesnt suit my style of driving, it may for some.

But of the 3, i highly recommend the Lola by Central RC. I can pretty much guarantee you wont use any other body for the car after first use. And besides, its pre-templated for our car! You can cut across every depressed line and the body will be perfectly mounted! Even the lines for the engine/airbox and rollbar, as well as the tire cut-outs, thats if you run the longest wheelbase on the car.
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I have not yet tried mixing offsets, as in running OS1 FR and OS2 RR. But lately ive been running OS2 and OS2 all around only. With the new scrub radius from the wheel offset, it feels as if the car has more rotation and corner speed with the OS2 setup.
thanks, will try to get some mugen rim tires and try it out... but i still have quite a few new set of the xceed tires OS1...
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There is a tips and tricks guide on the serpent website.

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Thanks. I remember those tips from way back. Still there. I wonder if Glen Cauley is still around??
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I got my kit last week (thanks Kamikaze!!) and I've been spending time on the weekend throwing it together. Not finished but it's getting there as I finished off the suspension tonight.

Some mixed feelings on the kit:

Pros:
Definitely improvements on the design side. No more 3 pivot balls for the rear uprights, front anti-roll bar on the inside of the bearing blocks, variable front uprights to change handling (brilliant!), RCC shocks, new shock springs, better clutch plate to help keep out dirt, thicker rear shock tower, and plastics seem extra tough!. Included options are nice. Lightened front quick change levers, alu mid bearing block, 1-piece engine mount, newer chassis design. I think you are getting a good deal on what you pay. The setup book is also fantastic. All model companies should offer one.

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Kit construction seems a bit weak. No missing parts but the kit seems to have been sourced from about 50 different suppliers and seems thrown together in a sort of last minute sort of way.

A lot of metal parts are covered with some sort of grease that needs to be washed/polished off. Compared to some makers (e.g. XRay) you need to do more work to get the kit assembled correctly. Quick assembly not really possible with this kit. My opinion is this kit is for the advanced modeler.

Some parts were real problems. Some screws had heads almost impossible to fit a screw driver into. Using a retainer ring for the 51T rear gear mounted to the rear axle is a real pain. I don't want to but a tool for one job. Why is the front antiroll bar adjustable with a flathead and not a hex driver? The phillips + allen combo of screws is frustrating enough.

The manual was great when the 960 came out but it's time to offer improvements. Don't be like Kyosho and Mugen with the same style and spare explanations. XRay gets it as their manual is really good. Serpent can do the same or better. Lots of white space left for tips. Wish Serpent would change their mind on including part numbers in the manual too. With e-manuals on-line getting a new one out to existing customers would be easy.

Hope others can offer comments on the new kit as well and I hope Serpent is listening. I can see the 960 getting even better.
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I got my kit last week (thanks Kamikaze!!) and I've been spending time on the weekend throwing it together. Not finished but it's getting there as I finished off the suspension tonight.

Some mixed feelings on the kit:

Pros:
Definitely improvements on the design side. No more 3 pivot balls for the rear uprights, front anti-roll bar on the inside of the bearing blocks, variable front uprights to change handling (brilliant!), RCC shocks, new shock springs, better clutch plate to help keep out dirt, thicker rear shock tower, and plastics seem extra tough!. Included options are nice. Lightened front quick change levers, alu mid bearing block, 1-piece engine mount, newer chassis design. I think you are getting a good deal on what you pay. The setup book is also fantastic. All model companies should offer one.

Cons
Kit construction seems a bit weak. No missing parts but the kit seems to have been sourced from about 50 different suppliers and seems thrown together in a sort of last minute sort of way.

A lot of metal parts are covered with some sort of grease that needs to be washed/polished off. Compared to some makers (e.g. XRay) you need to do more work to get the kit assembled correctly. Quick assembly not really possible with this kit. My opinion is this kit is for the advanced modeler.

Some parts were real problems. Some screws had heads almost impossible to fit a screw driver into. Using a retainer ring for the 51T rear gear mounted to the rear axle is a real pain. I don't want to but a tool for one job. Why is the front antiroll bar adjustable with a flathead and not a hex driver? The phillips + allen combo of screws is frustrating enough.

The manual was great when the 960 came out but it's time to offer improvements. Don't be like Kyosho and Mugen with the same style and spare explanations. XRay gets it as their manual is really good. Serpent can do the same or better. Lots of white space left for tips. Wish Serpent would change their mind on including part numbers in the manual too. With e-manuals on-line getting a new one out to existing customers would be easy.

Hope others can offer comments on the new kit as well and I hope Serpent is listening. I can see the 960 getting even better.
The coating you speak of on some metal parts is specifically to protect them, Xray doesnt use this coating, but they include a material that absorbs moisture to avoid damage through shipping and whatever problems may arise from handling the kits.

The bit about 50 outsources, i really dont see what you mean, all the materials are the same through with great consistency in the plastic as well as the aluminum materials used in the various upgrades that are included in the kit.

To help explain the front roll bar situation, Not everyone has a trick swaybar tool, but EVERYONE in the pit area has a tuning screwdriver. With this in mind, quick last minute adjustments to the swaybar can be done by ANYONE on the fly. Also with flathead slots on the sides of the roll bar, you can physically see the position which can allow for more accurate swaybar settings from left to right.

As far as quick assembly, At the Winternats this past February, i arrived in Ft Myers, on the first practice day with a practice car and had a kit waiting for me on my pit table, i had the car assembled within hours of arrival and just enough time for a couple practice runs and lunch!

Besides, the shocks are built already..

The manuals have a seperate parts explosion which is nice and handy since visiting your local hobby store, all you need is a 2 page Reference guide with every part number on the car and an exploded view with part numbers listed there.

Hey, buying that snapring tool is a great investment! Although its one job, its one job that may occur more than once! Maintenance on the drivetrain is very important and removal of the rear axle pulley can sometimes be necessary ie. Rock or belt stripping and melting the pulley.

Btw, the new and improved clutch support disk was meant to prevent flyweight ejection, which can occur due to large endplay settings on todays modern centax clutch.


I'm glad you received your kit though, one of the few fortunate ones I hope some of the explainations listed here help with your frustrations on the new kit!
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