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Old 01-26-2007, 10:36 AM   #1891
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My Setup:

Front:
0 degrees on sway bar
Longest wheelbase
4mm caster in front of upper arm
45wt oil, 3 holes, Red Springs
-2 degrees camber, -.5 degrees toe out
Upper shock position
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45 degrees on sway bar
45wt oil, 3 holes, Red Springs
-3.5 degrees camber, +2.5 toe in
Middle shock position
Middle Roll Center
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Old 01-26-2007, 12:05 PM   #1892
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Kendall, my setup is alot like yours for the Rams club track. Ive been thinking about running the short wheelbase.
It seems like the mugen cars are going to the shorter wheelbase and modding parts to make it even shorter than the original shorter wheelbase, to help with the corners.
On the other hand, a lot of kyosho guys are narrowing the car. I know the Scotty Kimbrow and crew are down to 258 in the rear and 255 or so in the front. Of course they had to do plenty of mods to the axles etc, but are doing it.
I tried narrowing the car in the rear to 260 and left it at 255 in the front, the car was really really sensitive and difficult to drive.
Thoughts?
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Old 01-26-2007, 01:15 PM   #1893
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My Setup:

Front:
0 degrees on sway bar
wheelbase 2mm short
4mm caster in front of upper arm
45wt oil, 4 holes, Red Springs
-2 degrees camber, -.5 degrees toe out
Lower shock position
#2 long ackermaan
i am using the spp chassis without the front plate
252 track width

Rear:
90 degrees on sway bar, outside (new position with hard arms)
45wt oil, 3 holes, Red Springs
-3.5 degrees camber, +2.5 toe in
shock position on bulkhead
Middle Roll Center
264 track with
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Old 01-26-2007, 01:56 PM   #1894
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Kendall, my setup is alot like yours for the Rams club track. Ive been thinking about running the short wheelbase.
It seems like the mugen cars are going to the shorter wheelbase and modding parts to make it even shorter than the original shorter wheelbase, to help with the corners.
On the other hand, a lot of kyosho guys are narrowing the car. I know the Scotty Kimbrow and crew are down to 258 in the rear and 255 or so in the front. Of course they had to do plenty of mods to the axles etc, but are doing it.
I tried narrowing the car in the rear to 260 and left it at 255 in the front, the car was really really sensitive and difficult to drive.
Thoughts?
Hi Steve, and guys.....

To have more steering without modding anything:
1) New Serpent USA Lola Body. Very similar to the Parma R10 feeling.
2) New front allu hangers: 1mm lower

With some mods:
1) Front softer sway bar (grind down and make ot narrower)
2) WOS steering block. Mount this upside down (left to rigth etc.) Just need to shave a little bit the lower lip of the upper pivot ball support in order to have all the movement when the suspension is all the way down
3) front wheel axle offset. it sounds complicated but it's easy. Basically take the eccentrics that we use in the 720 for the front oneway (they hold bearing 12X18) Make a notch on the steering block so you can fit this part. The axle when installed, will not be in the center anymore, but closer to the uppser side of the steering block. You can try this with the std steering blocks or the WOS. After installing this, downstops will remain the same but you have to adjust again the ride heigth.

With all this, my car is REALLY good. I am using long wheelbase even in small tracks and i have enough steering. Try it and let me know

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Old 01-26-2007, 02:25 PM   #1895
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Kendall, my setup is alot like yours for the Rams club track. Ive been thinking about running the short wheelbase.
It seems like the mugen cars are going to the shorter wheelbase and modding parts to make it even shorter than the original shorter wheelbase, to help with the corners.
On the other hand, a lot of kyosho guys are narrowing the car. I know the Scotty Kimbrow and crew are down to 258 in the rear and 255 or so in the front. Of course they had to do plenty of mods to the axles etc, but are doing it.
I tried narrowing the car in the rear to 260 and left it at 255 in the front, the car was really really sensitive and difficult to drive.
Thoughts?

Difficult to drive is not good at all. Maybe narrow the front and the rear at the same time, say Rear: 264 Front: 254 and then try Rear: 263 Front: 263 and so down to 260 and 250.

Modding existing parts is a little extreme...as the 960 has tons of setup options along with optional parts. When in doubt I refer to the setup guide book, but it's essentially memorized.
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Old 01-26-2007, 02:59 PM   #1896
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Paolo, What's the part number on the new front aluminum hangers?

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Can you tell me what is a front aluminum hangers?

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teflon brakepads are now attached

going to mount the rest of the car now.. but with standard gearshaft beacuse i dont have the spp axle only for the middle bearingblock. the search for decreasing the rotating mass


what gearshaft are you guys using? titan? standard? spp?

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Old 01-27-2007, 10:32 AM   #1899
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Can you tell me what is a front aluminum hangers?

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Front Upper Suspension Arm Bracket.

Stock plastic part number is SER903105: http://www.serpent.com/product/903105

The optional aluminum bracket part number is SER903161: http://www.serpent.com/product/903161

This aluminum bracket has been available since early 2006. I'm not sure if Paolo is referring this bracket or a new item that hasn't been released yet.
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Front Upper Suspension Arm Bracket.

Stock plastic part number is SER903105: http://www.serpent.com/product/903105

The optional aluminum bracket part number is SER903161: http://www.serpent.com/product/903161

This aluminum bracket has been available since early 2006. I'm not sure if Paolo is referring this bracket or a new item that hasn't been released yet.
It's the same part number (903161), but you must specify that you want the -1mm, cause we have both in stock

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Thanks Paolo!
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Old 01-28-2007, 06:23 AM   #1902
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Hi Steve, and guys.....

To have more steering without modding anything:
1) New Serpent USA Lola Body. Very similar to the Parma R10 feeling.
2) New front allu hangers: 1mm lower

With some mods:
1) Front softer sway bar (grind down and make ot narrower)
2) WOS steering block. Mount this upside down (left to rigth etc.) Just need to shave a little bit the lower lip of the upper pivot ball support in order to have all the movement when the suspension is all the way down
3) front wheel axle offset. it sounds complicated but it's easy. Basically take the eccentrics that we use in the 720 for the front oneway (they hold bearing 12X18) Make a notch on the steering block so you can fit this part. The axle when installed, will not be in the center anymore, but closer to the uppser side of the steering block. You can try this with the std steering blocks or the WOS. After installing this, downstops will remain the same but you have to adjust again the ride heigth.

With all this, my car is REALLY good. I am using long wheelbase even in small tracks and i have enough steering. Try it and let me know

Paolo
Paolo

I tried the WOS blocks before and didn't like them but I did not try them inverted. What does flipping them over do to the handling of the car?
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I tried the WOS blocks before and didn't like them but I did not try them inverted. What does flipping them over do to the handling of the car?
More steering (nice steering), wich means, not the rear end sliding, just more steering.

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More steering (nice steering), wich means, not the rear end sliding, just more steering.

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I just shimmed my front wheels out and went to the outside hole for the pin that goes through the quick change. Will this be basically the same thing as going to the WOS steering blocks?
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Hi Paulo,

should I use the "Wheel-axle front WOS (#909223)" with the "wos steeringblocks"? Or is the wos steerinblocks enough for MORE STEERING.

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