Mugen MTX-3
Tech Adept
front spool configuration
Hi,
I was running the front one way with a adjustable rear diff with stock pully. Changed over to front spool..the car have a sharper braking and also launches very fast out of corners...lap time was down 0.3 sec compared to a front one way. Rear diff oil is 10,000 wt (mugen), but i have i can tighten the rear diff to make more stiffer.
Found that the stiffer rear diff will help the car powers out of corner tighter. Last weekend ran the car in this configuration until the rear started sliding coz the rear tires have worn down to the rim !!!! I never true my tire...as long as the front is smaller than the rear !!!Nevertheless, the car handled perfectly.....try it !!!
Xtreme888
I was running the front one way with a adjustable rear diff with stock pully. Changed over to front spool..the car have a sharper braking and also launches very fast out of corners...lap time was down 0.3 sec compared to a front one way. Rear diff oil is 10,000 wt (mugen), but i have i can tighten the rear diff to make more stiffer.
Found that the stiffer rear diff will help the car powers out of corner tighter. Last weekend ran the car in this configuration until the rear started sliding coz the rear tires have worn down to the rim !!!! I never true my tire...as long as the front is smaller than the rear !!!Nevertheless, the car handled perfectly.....try it !!!
Xtreme888
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Re: ROll Center
Originally posted by straightsixers
Guys, just need to clarify something and brotherman if you do see this, hope you can shed some light...
Doesn't HIGH RC = Less Roll (Because the RC point is at its highest and nearest the CG of the car) and therefore appropriate for high traction/bite conditions because we do not need added traction and need the car to be more aggressive. And LOW RC = More Roll, suited for low traction/bite conditions because we need the added weight transfer to add traction which also results in the car being a little lazy?
IN essence is it correct to assume with all other parameters equal;
HIGH RC suited more for HIGH TRACTION TRACK
LOW RC suited more for LOW TRACTION TRACK
Or vis-a-versa?
Or is there more that meets the eye??
Thanks in advance.
Guys, just need to clarify something and brotherman if you do see this, hope you can shed some light...
Doesn't HIGH RC = Less Roll (Because the RC point is at its highest and nearest the CG of the car) and therefore appropriate for high traction/bite conditions because we do not need added traction and need the car to be more aggressive. And LOW RC = More Roll, suited for low traction/bite conditions because we need the added weight transfer to add traction which also results in the car being a little lazy?
IN essence is it correct to assume with all other parameters equal;
HIGH RC suited more for HIGH TRACTION TRACK
LOW RC suited more for LOW TRACTION TRACK
Or vis-a-versa?
Or is there more that meets the eye??
Thanks in advance.
The pro's only mention that the "A" block lower the RC, and not WHY they lower the roll center. The one thing we need to realize is that there is more than one thing drivers are trying to accomplish. I've been on the Mugen forum, and it seems that the "A" blocks (low roll center= more roll) are used when bite is high to add some laziness to the car and to prevent traction rolling. If the car will not roll on the suspension a little, it will just traction roll if the bite is high. Swauger mentioned that the blocks will also change the shock angle slightly (A= more laid down).
Just push the "I believe" button and do what the big dog's do= high bite = Low roll center.
Re: where is everybody??
fish is around, just on and off, like going to the track, hehe
Originally posted by RClover
been away for quite some time.
where are my friends? eddiethefish, manticore...
been away for quite some time.
where are my friends? eddiethefish, manticore...
Re: solid front/ spool
Originally posted by RClover
guys,
anybody running the front spool configuration? if so, what's the rear diff oil? does it help on the medium size technical track? pros and cons?
cheers
guys,
anybody running the front spool configuration? if so, what's the rear diff oil? does it help on the medium size technical track? pros and cons?
cheers
Re: Re: where is everybody??
Originally posted by eddiethefish
fish is around, just on and off, like going to the track, hehe
fish is around, just on and off, like going to the track, hehe
what's the powerful secret weapon now? rear adjustable diff on the 3?
Re: Re: solid front/ spool
Originally posted by Palmaris Europe
I've tried it. Running 30K oil in rear diff. Going up to 100K this weekend. Diff is far too loose
I've tried it. Running 30K oil in rear diff. Going up to 100K this weekend. Diff is far too loose
Re: front spool configuration
Originally posted by xtreme888
Hi,
I was running the front one way with a adjustable rear diff with stock pully. Changed over to front spool..the car have a sharper braking and also launches very fast out of corners...lap time was down 0.3 sec compared to a front one way. Rear diff oil is 10,000 wt (mugen), but i have i can tighten the rear diff to make more stiffer.
Found that the stiffer rear diff will help the car powers out of corner tighter. Last weekend ran the car in this configuration until the rear started sliding coz the rear tires have worn down to the rim !!!! I never true my tire...as long as the front is smaller than the rear !!!Nevertheless, the car handled perfectly.....try it !!!
Xtreme888
Hi,
I was running the front one way with a adjustable rear diff with stock pully. Changed over to front spool..the car have a sharper braking and also launches very fast out of corners...lap time was down 0.3 sec compared to a front one way. Rear diff oil is 10,000 wt (mugen), but i have i can tighten the rear diff to make more stiffer.
Found that the stiffer rear diff will help the car powers out of corner tighter. Last weekend ran the car in this configuration until the rear started sliding coz the rear tires have worn down to the rim !!!! I never true my tire...as long as the front is smaller than the rear !!!Nevertheless, the car handled perfectly.....try it !!!
Xtreme888
Tech Elite
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Originally posted by bigl
i am thinking about buying a MTX-3 Prospec and i am wondering if the car needs any other hop-ups other then the ones that come in the kit for example the kawahara belt conversion
i am thinking about buying a MTX-3 Prospec and i am wondering if the car needs any other hop-ups other then the ones that come in the kit for example the kawahara belt conversion
Re: Re: Re: solid front/ spool
Originally posted by RClover
saw the fr one-way modification on other tread, is it reliable?
saw the fr one-way modification on other tread, is it reliable?
Got a guy making me a proper solid axle to specs to try. The only difference will be the weight. Will be a whole lot lighter then the oneway modded.
Tech Adept
Front one way
Hi,
Similar to what Campbell said about the modified serpent parts with pins through, but used a c clips to hold pin in coz i lost a pin before in the final !!!! NOt very good with three wheels
drive !!!!
Xtreme888
Similar to what Campbell said about the modified serpent parts with pins through, but used a c clips to hold pin in coz i lost a pin before in the final !!!! NOt very good with three wheels
drive !!!!
Xtreme888
Re: Weight
Originally posted by Slotmachine
At the Nats I had to add 37g. to my MTX-3 I have the RD Logics chassie.
At the Nats I had to add 37g. to my MTX-3 I have the RD Logics chassie.
is you mtx-3 a prospec or standard.
what ealse have you done to get the car so light!!!!
Details,Details,,
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I got a use mtx3, what cases the front belt to snap.
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The front belt will wear out the fastest of the three belts..
The gearing between the front and rear wheels is not exactly the same. This slight difference causes a little more stress on the front belt. Periodically inspect the belts. Look for teeth that are missing or wearing out and replace them when you can see this. Also I would inspect the pulleys as they will eventually wear as well. When worn, they will wear the belts faster.
The gearing between the front and rear wheels is not exactly the same. This slight difference causes a little more stress on the front belt. Periodically inspect the belts. Look for teeth that are missing or wearing out and replace them when you can see this. Also I would inspect the pulleys as they will eventually wear as well. When worn, they will wear the belts faster.
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Re: Re: Weight
Originally posted by bcquick
is you mtx-3 a prospec or standard.
what ealse have you done to get the car so light!!!!
Details,Details,,
is you mtx-3 a prospec or standard.
what ealse have you done to get the car so light!!!!
Details,Details,,
It`s the old car ! I really didnt do anything else to it. I will say we ran 57mm. tires at the Nats.
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rear diff oil
hi...about to try 50K oil in the rear with fr. 1 way...
anybody has tried this and how does it handles?? thanks
btw...i usually race on small/medium tracks...
anybody has tried this and how does it handles?? thanks
btw...i usually race on small/medium tracks...