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Old 10-31-2013, 02:55 PM   #16
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My experience is with mugen so I'll say this: the 5 is very, very fast and unbelievably stable, but you have to be careful with your set up to make it work. If your negligent, you'll strip gears left and right; If your careful, you'll be very pleased with a grin on your face. -just my experience.
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IMHO any and every car in the right hands is a winner.
That being said, I run XRAY because of parts availability, and I was and still are pretty new to racing and the parts were needed.
Now that I'm staying away from the boards most of the time I'm 95% going capricorn for next season.
I only made that choice because I will be ably to use some of the xray parts on the cap, like diffs and springs and probably some other parts too.
But all cars are winners in the right hands
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IMHO any and every car in the right hands is a winner.
That being said, I run XRAY because of parts availability, and I was and still are pretty new to racing and the parts were needed.
Now that I'm staying away from the boards most of the time I'm 95% going capricorn for next season.
I only made that choice because I will be ably to use some of the xray parts on the cap, like diffs and springs and probably some other parts too.
But all cars are winners in the right hands
I here Capricorns are pretty good, but personally don't know much about them. What do you like about the Cap that would lead you to switch from Xray?
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I here Capricorns are pretty good, but personally don't know much about them. What do you like about the Cap that would lead you to switch from Xray?
Truthfully, I'm a real big fan of the red/black.
Also, if you ask me, the car is an upgraded version of the NT1.
So all the parts you want for the xray, the cap has.
The cap also has a smaller gearbox, which was explained to me by DSmotorsports which does make the car accelerate better (in theory, never tried but watched them walk by some other cars on the straight) and I really like the rear upper arm instead of the camber link.
Believe me, there's nothing wrong with the NT1 at all and will never say there is and I liked everything about when I bought it and fell in love with it as the season went on and I got used to it and just went faster and faster.
My main reason for switching is, I bought it for a really good price built but never ran. So I'm going to try something new and see what suits me better and stick with it.but I will always have my xray ready to go
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being of the non national caliber driver who has a tendency to rub a board now and again or get tangled up in others mishaps in the lower mains Parts are key along with somebody to help out if you run into a a odd handling issue or when you need on more item to get it back together for the main because you have used your spares up to get there
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The capricorn is better by design because:

It's stronger than it looks
It fails in less areas than other cars, allowing for continuity in an event.
The transmission has less rotational mass
The machining has good tolerances so you arent losing screws and grub screws
The plastics/graphite parts are high quality and strong
Thought went into construction and components laminated together with one screw rather than seveal screws used to mount the same on other cars.
Diffs are reliable, metals are hi quality and chassis plate dont bend
Weight distribution is good
Clutch is great.
BOX setup is great and tuning window large.
It's better value in the long run.
It's HOPPED up to RACE SPEC by default. (Saves you a lot!)

Downsides:
Kits have been reported to have screws or pieces missing.
Wiring batteries and Receiver is difficult.
Belt tensioner is poor.
Bearings arent the greatest
Two speed requires careful attention.
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The capricorn is better by design because:

It's stronger than it looks
It fails in less areas than other cars, allowing for continuity in an event.
The transmission has less rotational mass
The machining has good tolerances so you arent losing screws and grub screws
The plastics/graphite parts are high quality and strong
Thought went into construction and components laminated together with one screw rather than seveal screws used to mount the same on other cars.
Diffs are reliable, metals are hi quality and chassis plate dont bend
Weight distribution is good
Clutch is great.
BOX setup is great and tuning window large.
It's better value in the long run.
It's HOPPED up to RACE SPEC by default. (Saves you a lot!)

Downsides:
Kits have been reported to have screws or pieces missing.
Wiring batteries and Receiver is difficult.
Belt tensioner is poor.
Bearings arent the greatest
Two speed requires careful attention.
Very thorough breakdown. You definitely provided a base on which to further research the car. Thanks Blis, I really appreciate it.
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Truthfully, I'm a real big fan of the red/black.
Also, if you ask me, the car is an upgraded version of the NT1.
So all the parts you want for the xray, the cap has.
The cap also has a smaller gearbox, which was explained to me by DSmotorsports which does make the car accelerate better (in theory, never tried but watched them walk by some other cars on the straight) and I really like the rear upper arm instead of the camber link.
Believe me, there's nothing wrong with the NT1 at all and will never say there is and I liked everything about when I bought it and fell in love with it as the season went on and I got used to it and just went faster and faster.
My main reason for switching is, I bought it for a really good price built but never ran. So I'm going to try something new and see what suits me better and stick with it.but I will always have my xray ready to go
Thanks Joe SI, Good luck with the car
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i started with the co2 beginning of season. it came with aluminum balls and the first weekend 7 out of 8 were bent beyond repair from just tapping boards here and there. no big wrecks. guys need to be honest with themselves, as i had to be, and with my intermediate driving skill in touring car switched to the nt1 and its super durable and ran all season replacing just a few parts and some bearings. there is no comparison. and buy the way, i ran all 2013 and never bent a single ball.

My opinion is totally unbiased as i like both cars and may run the CAP after i get a bit faster, but i know from first hand experience the CAP plastics are more brittle and front arms, etc shatter on impact, whereas i have been amazed that the nt1 has survived the impacts it took this year without breaking plastic. This could be partly due to the fact that the CAP aluminum bulkheads concentrate force to the arms causing them to fail. I'm not sure why but they break easily, i know first hand.

This is the reality and Im not sure why a debate continues. With all due respect, some of the folks who share technical help on this thread race in Europe, and do not know what its like racing on a track built completely out of 4x4 lumber. Its brutal.

So if you have a grass infield track with no boards OR are an expert driver, sure run the Capricorn it is beautiful and very fast. if you are still learning, you are going to replace a lot of plastic and aluminum imho.
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i started with the co2 beginning of season. it came with aluminum balls and the first weekend 7 out of 8 were bent beyond repair from just tapping boards here and there. no big wrecks. guys need to be honest with themselves, as i had to be, and with my intermediate driving skill in touring car switched to the nt1 and its super durable and ran all season replacing just a few parts and some bearings. there is no comparison. and buy the way, i ran all 2013 and never bent a single ball.

My opinion is totally unbiased as i like both cars and may run the CAP after i get a bit faster, but i know from first hand experience the CAP plastics are more brittle and front arms, etc shatter on impact, whereas i have been amazed that the nt1 has survived the impacts it took this year without breaking plastic. This could be partly due to the fact that the CAP aluminum bulkheads concentrate force to the arms causing them to fail. I'm not sure why but they break easily, i know first hand.

This is the reality and Im not sure why a debate continues. With all due respect, some of the folks who share technical help on this thread race in Europe, and do not know what its like racing on a track built completely out of 4x4 lumber. Its brutal.

So if you have a grass infield track with no boards OR are an expert driver, sure run the Capricorn it is beautiful and very fast. if you are still learning, you are going to replace a lot of plastic and aluminum imho.
i put my nt1 through a durability test last year at winternats not because of driving i had an issue and wanted to finish the race but when i rebuilt the car i had to change no parts at all i was even surprised so i dont know what other people are doing but the truth will be known come race time. Its not the top guys its the average guy who occasionally gets in scrapes that will tell the tail
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i put my nt1 through a durability test last year at winternats not because of driving i had an issue and wanted to finish the race but when i rebuilt the car i had to change no parts at all i was even surprised so i dont know what other people are doing but the truth will be known come race time. Its not the top guys its the average guy who occasionally gets in scrapes that will tell the tail
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These are all high performance racing cars but they have areas that may not be acceptable to many drivers for various reasons and to keep from sounding bias its important to point out the manufacturers are very well matched in overall racing design its really comes down to preference!! I would recommend the serpent 747 for availability and most important the cost of maintenance is far more reasonable than the other two cars but if you have deep pockets then this would not be a factor so sit down and do your homework and make your decision based on what you prefer and push forward.....
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