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Old 04-18-2005, 07:36 AM   #61
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If midwest runs counter to roar rules,which I don't believe they will do,They will kill the only place left to run 235.I have a kysho 200 with a novamax smallblock 15 and there is no way my 835 murnan evo 5 will run with it.
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If midwest runs counter to roar rules,which I don't believe they will do,They will kill the only place left to run 235.I have a kysho 200 with a novamax smallblock 15 and there is no way my 835 murnan evo 5 will run with it.
I agree.......I don't thing Brain Barry will make any changes against the ROAR rules about outlaw....so, all the 200mm with VDS body, outlaw pipe, can ONLY equipped with 12 or lower engine, however, I am not sure that will cover the 5 port rules or now....afterall, it is still OUTLAW....why 5 ports 12 engine are examped...?

Take a look at the 235mm history, back like 4-5 years ago.......15 big block is still 15 big block, there are no 12 small engine can out run 15 big block, with the wider rear tires, VDS setting, LOLA bodies....it is almost impossible to have any 200mm touring (like Impulse Streetspec) will be able to hang with the 235mm Impact M2 with 15 big block........

But now...with the very limited engine support, and the quantum lip of the 12 small block engine technology..........235mm car does not have any powerfull advantage over any 200mm.
Some of the 200mm, on some certain track (like smaller track) can eat those 1/8th car for lunch...............

And with those $300 plus mod small blocks...........I just cannot see why ppl still want to run 235mm instead of running a fully loaded outlaw 200mm with lola body.................except ppl like me, just cannot let go of a 835 or Impact M2 for $150 on EBAY...

If I am the one to set the rules, I will make it simple....

235mm - any engine type 15 and under, big block, small block, mod or not mod, any # of ports, turbo, no turbo.....whatever. as long as not 21. with any type of pipe, foams and bodies.....etc

200mm........again, any type of foams, bodies, and pipe......but ENGINE will be only limited to 12 and under, again, mod or not mod, limited to 5 port and under.....

Simple enough for both kind of cars, only thing to inspect is the ENGINE between the 2.....and 21 engine, or small block 15 is very easy to spot.........

For me, that will be very close for these 2 format of cars....
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I agree rule should read only 12 in 200mm or 15 in 235mm,no other engine restrictions.
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And with those $300 plus mod small blocks...........I just cannot see why ppl still want to run 235mm instead of running a fully loaded outlaw 200mm with lola body
You just answered your own question. The price difference between a 235mm and 200mm now is nothing. Ok. It might cost $100 more to buy a BB 15 engine but it will last 3 times the length of time a Top End .12 engine will.

Tires are the same. They are a few dollars more but last a lot longer than the foam tires on a 200mm car.

Parts are about the same price between the 2 classes.

235mm is in a slump just now but if 200mm gets anymore expensive then I honestly can see a revival on the cards for 235mm. When this happens I think the manufacturers will start to support the class again and the price will fall even more.
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I think 235mm would also be boosted with a major rules change.

I maintain that a pan chassis type car is the solution. They are more fun to race, less technical and a fraction the cost.

When 1:8th slumped a few years back it still thrived in France. The key was that the French continued to promote the older pan chassis 1:8ths which a lot pf people were able to afford and didnt need lots of knowledge to master set up etc. After a few years most then move up to full on 4 wheel drive 1:8th cars.

I think if the same was introduced for 235mm then more people might become interested in the class. What does everyone else think?
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Well it's official; the 235mm class is dead at my track. The only cars being run now are nitro sedan and 8th scale.
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I think 235mm would also be boosted with a major rules change.

I maintain that a pan chassis type car is the solution. They are more fun to race, less technical and a fraction the cost.

When 1:8th slumped a few years back it still thrived in France. The key was that the French continued to promote the older pan chassis 1:8ths which a lot pf people were able to afford and didnt need lots of knowledge to master set up etc. After a few years most then move up to full on 4 wheel drive 1:8th cars.

I think if the same was introduced for 235mm then more people might become interested in the class. What does everyone else think?
I think some drastic changes needs to be done for the 235 class. I agree with Rookie, there's not much .15 engines out there to make these cars competitive. I think they should be allowed to run .21 engines since all 235 chassis' can take one. Their suspension geometry is similar to the 8th scales. With high power engines and smaller size, these cars can provide awesome racing action. I think the 235 class is the best compromise to size and speed.
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Old 04-19-2005, 06:35 AM   #68
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Very competitive with a 15 don't need the power of a 21 as the drivetrain won't take it,I'll race against 200mm 12 powered all day and enjoy it.200 has plenty of it's own disadvantages.I think we need to give the class {1/10 open}a chance to develop.It all comes back to the old adage "if it ain't broke don't fix it"
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revalot,
got to disagree with you on motor availability. ashford hobbies can get new big block 6 port rb cx-15 turbo's in about 3 weeks from france. i sent mine to uriah murnan for modding and this thing is an absolute monster. I am guessing 90 to 95% as fast as the 1/8 scales. I am having a little drive train dependability problem in my neo but i will get it worked out. one thing you guys have to remember if you put a 21 in .you arent gonna make 5 minues with 75 cc or 80 cc tanks I am close with what i have. the whole car will have to be changed to accept a 125 cc tank. with the biggest expence being the motor, might as well by an 1/8 scale car.
Andy you are right again .
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got to disagree with you on motor availability. ashford hobbies can get new big block 6 port rb cx-15 turbo's in about 3 weeks from france. i sent mine to uriah murnan for modding and this thing is an absolute monster. I am guessing 90 to 95% as fast as the 1/8 scales. I am having a little drive train dependability problem in my neo but i will get it worked out. one thing you guys have to remember if you put a 21 in .you arent gonna make 5 minues with 75 cc or 80 cc tanks I am close with what i have. the whole car will have to be changed to accept a 125 cc tank. with the biggest expence being the motor, might as well by an 1/8 scale car.
Andy you are right again .
I'm planning to get a Neo and I'm looking for a .15. What are good ones in the market?
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However, for example, in this year MWS, they will first start accepting 200mm TC, with small block 15 engines, with outlaw pipe and outlaw VDS bodies...

If my 835 are equipped with the same spec with those out law 200mm..........I still think, a heavier 235mm will NOT be able to run against those 200mm outlaw......

Only advantage of the 235mm is pretty much the wider rear foam tires...but don't forget, 200mm can also equipped with 35mm rear foams as the outlaw spec.
ROAR rules for 1/10th open do not included .15 small blocks in 200mm chassis. The Midwest Series intendst to follow those rules. Lets not get to crazy with rule interpretations! No one running 1/10th open with a 200mm chassis will be allowed to run a small block .15 PERIOD!
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you know, I just realized that this topic is for two wheel drive..

I was talking about 4WD all along..

I'm a 'tard.
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c'mon guys let's face it... this class is dead
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2 wheel drive is dead , yes i agree but 4 wheel is alive and still kicking at my track . weather permitting, we should have 8-10 235's in the open class plus however many sedans who want to play.
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