Mugen MTX-4
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Last edited by rmdhawaii; 01-28-2007 at 10:31 PM.
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#7159
Tech Elite
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Originally Posted by rmdhawaii
Mugen Seiki Japan or Mugen Racing USA?
JK!
In either case, it would be good to get some validation from the user community.
JK!
In either case, it would be good to get some validation from the user community.
Anyhow im going to use mugens reccomended fixes first, so well see where that route takes me vs everyone else who goes with the threads suggestions. But Im also going to try come up with some of my own. Like the engine brace etc etc. I will with the best of my time be focusing on this issue as there really is no other issue on the car. So I have good confidence In the end Ill have a completely verified list of causes and fixes.
Just to note I work for an actual large national car magazine. As well have been tuning cars for over half my life and ran my own racing community for 12+ years, which I still manage currently. Ive written over 700+ racing articles that are still mainstay info for 1:1 racing over the internet. When I dig into something. I normally come up with an answer.
Ill also try to get a confirmation when the prospec chassis is coming out tommorrow.
Stay tuned.
A.I.
#7160
Tech Elite
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Also a heads up for everyone (asking for community help). If you blow a gear , please jump on your car fast and get a temp reading of your 2nd gear or a good finger feel. To see if indeed heat is one of the causes. I have a feeling if we can find out if the gear is actually getting hot. Compare it with 1st as well. Then we will have a better chance at dissolving the issue.
Thanks!
Thanks!
#7161
Tech Master
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I have to tell you I have never blown a spur gear on my MTX-4 and it has some miles on it. I raced on the original spurs and pinions for..maybe 10 race dates. And then switched them out as normal maintaince. I used the stock chassis until just recently when I found it was bent and replaced it. The only thing I have ever done to ensure I finish a race is make sure the motor mount screws don't bottom out against each other and always set the gear mesh with the first gear spur off the car. Set the second spur gear slightly tight (almost no gap) and don't even worry about the first gear mesh. For those using the "paper between the gear" method of setting the gap.....forget it. That works in electrics....maybe...but not in Nitro. It winds up being way to wide of a gap.
I am not try to say some of you are not have real problems or anything. Just telling you what I have experienced.
I am not try to say some of you are not have real problems or anything. Just telling you what I have experienced.
#7162
Originally Posted by jeff whiting
I have to tell you I have never blown a spur gear on my MTX-4 and it has some miles on it. I raced on the original spurs and pinions for..maybe 10 race dates. And then switched them out as normal maintaince. I used the stock chassis until just recently when I found it was bent and replaced it. The only thing I have ever done to ensure I finish a race is make sure the motor mount screws don't bottom out against each other and always set the gear mesh with the first gear spur off the car. Set the second spur gear slightly tight (almost no gap) and don't even worry about the first gear mesh. For those using the "paper between the gear" method of setting the gap.....forget it. That works in electrics....maybe...but not in Nitro. It winds up being way to wide of a gap.
I am not try to say some of you are not have real problems or anything. Just telling you what I have experienced.
I am not try to say some of you are not have real problems or anything. Just telling you what I have experienced.
This has also been my experience. There is a lot of concern over a non-issue if you ask me. AI don't get too upset. Try your car first to see if this problem even exists. A little common sense and checking to make sure everything is tight on your car (ie normal maintenance) should make the gears last.
#7163
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Originally Posted by jeff whiting
I have to tell you I have never blown a spur gear on my MTX-4 and it has some miles on it. I raced on the original spurs and pinions for..maybe 10 race dates. And then switched them out as normal maintaince. I used the stock chassis until just recently when I found it was bent and replaced it. The only thing I have ever done to ensure I finish a race is make sure the motor mount screws don't bottom out against each other and always set the gear mesh with the first gear spur off the car. Set the second spur gear slightly tight (almost no gap) and don't even worry about the first gear mesh. For those using the "paper between the gear" method of setting the gap.....forget it. That works in electrics....maybe...but not in Nitro. It winds up being way to wide of a gap.
I am not try to say some of you are not have real problems or anything. Just telling you what I have experienced.
I am not try to say some of you are not have real problems or anything. Just telling you what I have experienced.
Good to know.
#7165
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Originally Posted by Bigbarn
This has also been my experience. There is a lot of concern over a non-issue if you ask me. AI don't get too upset. Try your car first to see if this problem even exists. A little common sense and checking to make sure everything is tight on your car (ie normal maintenance) should make the gears last.
#7166
Originally Posted by Artificial-I
Im sure its just the text format of these conversations. But Iam not upset , in fact Iam actually pretty happy in this thread.
Yes Scott, just kidding. Congrats on the Kyosho move.
#7167
Originally Posted by Artificial-I
Im sure its just the text format of these conversations. But Iam not upset , in fact Iam actually pretty happy in this thread.
In some cars, Two speed adapter might touch the engine brace ( the black plastic that connects rear bulkhead to upper deck ).
Good luck with your improvements.
#7168
Originally Posted by jeff whiting
I have to tell you I have never blown a spur gear on my MTX-4 and it has some miles on it. I raced on the original spurs and pinions for..maybe 10 race dates. And then switched them out as normal maintaince. I used the stock chassis until just recently when I found it was bent and replaced it. The only thing I have ever done to ensure I finish a race is make sure the motor mount screws don't bottom out against each other and always set the gear mesh with the first gear spur off the car. Set the second spur gear slightly tight (almost no gap) and don't even worry about the first gear mesh. For those using the "paper between the gear" method of setting the gap.....forget it. That works in electrics....maybe...but not in Nitro. It winds up being way to wide of a gap.
One thing I notice on the Mugen Japan site long ago was that the aluminum used for the stock chassis was a different alloy. It spec'd 6061 or something, but I remembered this because I tried googling it to see it's strength values. But after a while it was changed to 7075. I believe that I may have had one of the original kits with a weaker aluminum. I know racers with newer kits that don't tweak after a hit. But as I mentioned before, I could flex my car fully assembled and see the gear mesh open slightly. Now, with a big hit or getting airborn and land on throttle, I'm sure that gap will open up even more. I bet I can go half of the MWSeries without replacing gears if 1) I don't hit anything and 2) engine is mounted securely. Last season I have gone 3 races where my gears still looked brand new. I thought all was solved. 4th race weekend on a slippery track, I went through 3 gears. Everyone was hitting something or each other. That's when I realized the chassis flex in the rear.
I love how the car feels to adjustments, I almost when back to Kyosho and drinking becuase I was so frustrated. Now life is a racing.
A note for rookies, make sure your throttle endpoint is set properly. To much and a good servo will actually pull the engine torwards it. Opening your mesh at WOT. Bye-bye spur gear.
#7169
Originally Posted by Scott Fisher
I know you are joking, but I haven't been part of the Mugen Team since a few days before the sedan nats in June.
Scott, best of luck to you and the new ride. I talked with Cyrul when comparing the RRR w/ MTX4 early last summer and he hinted that the subtle changes in the RRR Evo would make the car much like the 4. I'm sure you'll do wonders.
#7170
Tech Fanatic
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Originally Posted by jeff whiting
I have to tell you I have never blown a spur gear on my MTX-4 and it has some miles on it. I raced on the original spurs and pinions for..maybe 10 race dates. And then switched them out as normal maintaince. I used the stock chassis until just recently when I found it was bent and replaced it. The only thing I have ever done to ensure I finish a race is make sure the motor mount screws don't bottom out against each other and always set the gear mesh with the first gear spur off the car. Set the second spur gear slightly tight (almost no gap) and don't even worry about the first gear mesh. For those using the "paper between the gear" method of setting the gap.....forget it...