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Old 12-18-2011, 05:43 AM   #16
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Roelof which Picco engines are they allowed to run do you know? Engines are definitely the biggest cost and need restricting.Limiting the number of sets of tyres for qualifying could also reduce the cost. The hobby cup in Germany seems to be going in the right direction with regards to reducing costs.
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Rules:
http://www.houthalensracingteam.be/i...eglementen-hrt

They do run a P3 engine which has to be bought at the local shop
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We are considering the N12T1 with 2630 exhaust as the engine to run with. Also running a maximum of 2 car sets of tyres which is possible. 2 car sets of tyres is roughly the same as one set for electric onroad...

What are the experience in holland with such rules? are people happy or what are they sceptic about?
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On national level there aren't that much 1/10 racers, already splitted into 2 groups of fast and average drivers they choose the 2nd group to run this N12T1 engine. Still not much drivers but the guys running it are happy and does give some close racing.

There is just one club using N21-5T on clubraces. After messuring some timings I was stunned about how fast it was configured and it shows on the track. We do get those engines from the German distributor with the same hobbycup prices.
We decided that the racers who do run on national and international level were forced to use this engine and all clubmembers could use their expensive high end engines. It was up to us pro drivers to show the others that a really fast engine is not the (only) way to go fast.
The most funny thing was that most drivers were driving the same or even faster times and showed to the other non-Basic engine drivers that an expensive engine is no factor for the less experienced racer.
Most clubdrivers are now running this engine too.

But there is a dark side on these engines. Messuring timings on several production series did show different timings and configurations like a crankshaft hole of 8 and 9mm. Lucky on the track most show an equal performance with the right gearing. The one has more bottom, the other more topend.

Now there are at least 2 other clubs wanting this engine and there was a proposal to use this on national level but was voted against (as with the 1/10 there are 2 groups and it was proposed for also the 2nd group). Because the national 1/8 group is very healthy I can imagine that most drivers partly with special deals and sponsoring do not want to run such an engine.
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We started a new class beginning of this year. We called it the Club motor class, where the guys were only allowed to use the NT12T1 Engine. They could buy it anywhere, but the track owner also helped to get them for us at a very good price. Most new people were skeptical as they said it was a weak engine, and they wanted to go as fast as possible. (yes into the barriers)

When people saw that the lap times was almost just as good as with the top motors, almost everybody jumped on it and bought the engine. It was 3-4 times cheaper than top engines, and they could use it as a practice motor as well, and could pack their high end motors away for the big races. That has made sure that people don't disappear so quickly out of the hobby. Our biggest problem is not the cost, but the marketing of the sport, as we cannot race in a parking lot with all the noise from the engines, but I suppose that is another thread that we could start.
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we are planning to organise a RTR race in our club with .12 engine
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