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Old 10-19-2012, 06:42 PM   #376
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Oh well, with the current devellopment of mr. de Graaf at the MACH track, his soon to have retirement of his work and his wish to live with his wife in Thiland it seems the EFRA is in the search of a new 1/8 chairman soon. For sure with a new 1/10 chairman there is some hope there will be new people with new visions and a much better knowledge of the technology.
Luckely at the Mach track we cann look forward now...case closed.
What happend to Franky Noens bye the way?
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Old 11-03-2012, 05:04 PM   #377
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http://news.efra.ws/fileadmin/news/2...le%20final.pdf
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Thanks for the update, interesting reading.
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so its 1650 weight now. OK

And a mandatory 40 shore rear tire with GP. So it will be tire changes in a 30 min final because off the wear on the right side, depending on what circuit you drive. i normally drive 42 shore and barely manage it with easy on the speed in the highspeedturns in the final.
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I wasn't there this time!

How did it go Roelof?
In 1/8:
Fuel is now 16%
We go back to 9mm venturi
5 min qualifications with or without refueling
And controlled tires supplied by Efra.
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Old 11-04-2012, 04:39 AM   #381
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It went quite well. No huge discussions and finished before dinner.

The most supprising thing was the vote on the 1650 gramm 1/10 weight. Almost everyone were voting for 1550 last year and now almost everyone were voting for the 1650. That is telling me that most countries did not do their homework last year.

Most of the Dutch drivers were against the control tire so we voted against it.

The 9mm carb, the quiting of the idea of no refuling during heats, stay with 3.5cc, the 1650 and more things were good things to see.
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I like the control tyre idea, while not being ideal, bans on compounds is working out to be impossible to enforce, and allowing them is looking to create a huge amount of work for racers, I'm not sure any ideal solution exists, but really something needed, and needs to be done.
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Thanks for the update Roelof.I'm ok with both 1/10th new rules,regarding tires everyone will be on the same boat so that's nice to know.
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i cant see this helping , one tire mfg. have to put up 150 euros or there about
as a deposit for tires , one diameter , one choice of shore , and this because
as one of the efra people have said the cost to get sauce is to much to bear
for the racers ,
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EFRA and their rules are going to kill Nitro On road. I hope here in the U.S we don't waste our time with their B.S!
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I like the control tyre idea, while not being ideal, bans on compounds is working out to be impossible to enforce, and allowing them is looking to create a huge amount of work for racers, I'm not sure any ideal solution exists, but really something needed, and needs to be done.
Many thanks to Roloef for reporting. Roloef is great for bringing important news up for debate.

Next year’s reevaluation will obviously highlight problems if any, with the control tire rule. The one shore and one diameter for all rule could be a set-up challenge in some situations, and will clearly not pick up every driver's endorsement..

Someone that previously has had a central part in organising a big international event; pointed out to me that control tires will require hosting clubs to appoint a significant number of personnel to administer it.

Not saying that I would be completely happy with it at the events in our part of the world; but it is very unfair to just criticise the rules that EFRA are introducing, without having suggestions to solutions however. The control tire rule has is obviously the best that the delegates could come up with, in response to the majority of drivers appeals to ban tire saucing.

In the interest of harmony; anyone that has anything to do with EFRA events will need to go with it until next year now, and bring their concerns up for the review.

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The idea of a control tire itself is OK for me. It has been proved for many years that it works in rubber-tyre-racing.

The first thoughts that I get when I read this is that I will loose many important adjustments of my car like:
- selecting the shores my self
- selecting the the size of the tires my self (important for me!!)
- selecting the size-difference of front/rear my self
- selecting the brand of tyres my self
==> as we all know all of these have a great effect on car's handling and are important tuning-tools for the car

On the other hand in the rubber-classes you don't have the posibility to adjust/select anymore:
- tyre brand
- tyre shore
- tyre width
- insert type
- grinding of the wheel
- type of the wheel
- etc etc
==> and I don't hear anybody complaining about it

One very important factor that nobody has yet talked about is that the control tyre thing is financially a huge income to the race organizer.

To a regular racer it does not matter where he buys his tyres, but with this configuration you have to put new tyres for every heat and that is what I don't like at all. The number of sets you have to buy is BIG, compared to what it has been before. (you can run 1/8 easily 3 or even 4 heats with the same tyres if you want)

Also it is a fact that different cars needs different size of tyres. (to my knowledge, for example Serpent-guys are normally using bigger tyres than Mugen-guys...)

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Otherwise, get used to seeing this (from the upcoming Worlds...)



Interest comments from the top drivers regarding the controlled tires:

http://rcspecial.com/news/?p=115720
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The idea of a control tire itself is OK for me. It has been proved for many years that it works in rubber-tyre-racing.

The first thoughts that I get when I read this is that I will loose many important adjustments of my car like:
- selecting the shores my self
- selecting the the size of the tires my self (important for me!!)
- selecting the size-difference of front/rear my self
- selecting the brand of tyres my self
==> as we all know all of these have a great effect on car's handling and are important tuning-tools for the car

On the other hand in the rubber-classes you don't have the posibility to adjust/select anymore:
- tyre brand
- tyre shore
- tyre width
- insert type
- grinding of the wheel
- type of the wheel
- etc etc
==> and I don't hear anybody complaining about it

One very important factor that nobody has yet talked about is that the control tyre thing is financially a huge income to the race organizer.

To a regular racer it does not matter where he buys his tyres, but with this configuration you have to put new tyres for every heat and that is what I don't like at all. The number of sets you have to buy is BIG, compared to what it has been before. (you can run 1/8 easily 3 or even 4 heats with the same tyres if you want)

Also it is a fact that different cars needs different size of tyres. (to my knowledge, for example Serpent-guys are normally using bigger tyres than Mugen-guys...)

-X-
Let me tell you as a dealer, there is no huge income on tires. The margins are tiny, trust me.
Nobody wants to make money on this and for some racers, that have no connections for tyres whatsoever, they even might become cheaper.
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EFRA and their rules are going to kill Nitro On road. I hope here in the U.S we don't waste our time with their B.S!
Sorry to disagree, but they are finally getting it, because the idiocy of a few has been killing nitro onroad over here for quite a while.
We had the lowest turnouts in Euro Champs in history last year because of all that tyre saucing crap that nobody, but the Italians wanted.

The only one that crying are the team drivers and they are not important.

Important are the people who pay for their stuff themselves.
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