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Old 09-21-2004, 03:44 PM   #1
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Can anyone who has tried both of these cars offer up an honest opinion? I'm looking for a new car for racing. A recent magazine article put the Kyosho on top. But, I've read that the Serpent doesn't need much in the way of hop-ups, but the Kyosho does. Is that true?

Any thoughts on how these two kits compare would be appreciated.
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Old 09-22-2004, 06:28 AM   #2
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yea the FW-05's do require a few hop ups. but not that many.
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I found few people racing their vehicles mostly stock and only making upgrades if they felt for them if something needed to be change. Most upgrades are mentioned to use as they are crucial, while others are personal preference. Although its near winter, I've decided to kinda look towards an onroad kit. For quality, I'm thinking about the Serpent or Mugen. Otherwise, a NTC3 or R40.
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Too many are quick to down anything Kyosho, the FW05 runs fine from the box, we do however recommend changing the Diff Rings to the Machined Steel type of either 37T or 39T.
There are parts available to improve the car, but the standard kit is fine.
Major plus point for the FW05 is the non aggresive steering that is found on most belt drive cars, so if your driving style prefers slight understeer then the FW05 is your car.
I have been running the car for a year now and have had a few hefty shunts and have to admit to finally breaking the kit supplied front shock tower last week after rear ending a stationary car.
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I .hve been racing my 710 of which i had 2, sold 1 of them. I competed against the fwo5,true it is a fast car but in the issue of the nitro car shootout the wheels they used rubbed,so hinst the rubbing will cause aliittle drag . Anyways i run the picco xp12r modified with the stock gears i could accel from corner to corner with the fwo5r beat the car by 2laps, fastest laptime 14.09 with 710 both are great cars, but if see the setups for the 710 an its support.an he was running a 5port in the fwo5.Also think about the weight ratio the 710 is really light ,the fwo5 has some weight to it .All i can say is u need to see but cars on the track then u decide.
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Old 09-23-2004, 01:38 PM   #6
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Too many are quick to down anything Kyosho, the FW05 runs fine from the box, we do however recommend changing the Diff Rings to the Machined Steel type of either 37T or 39T.
There are parts available to improve the car, but the standard kit is fine.
Major plus point for the FW05 is the non aggresive steering that is found on most belt drive cars, so if your driving style prefers slight understeer then the FW05 is your car.
I have been running the car for a year now and have had a few hefty shunts and have to admit to finally breaking the kit supplied front shock tower last week after rear ending a stationary car.
i used to race the 710 then got rid of it and got the fw-05r, and with the same motor from the 710 my lap times were quicker with the fw-05r! and the car has strong acceleration out of the corner. my 2cents
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I have both cars. For a medium size or larger track, the 710 out of the box is better. After changing some things on the FW-05R it is now better than the 710. The 710 has more of a tendancy to traction roll and I think having to setup the car to avoid it compromises the handling. I prefer the Serpent in low traction situations but the Fw-05R is not too far behind it. In any other situation, the FW-05R is a much better car albeit a few hop-ups needed.
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I have both cars. For a medium size or larger track, the 710 out of the box is better. After changing some things on the FW-05R it is now better than the 710. The 710 has more of a tendancy to traction roll and I think having to setup the car to avoid it compromises the handling. I prefer the Serpent in low traction situations but the Fw-05R is not too far behind it. In any other situation, the FW-05R is a much better car albeit a few hop-ups needed.
my only hop up on my fw-05r was ,using monotuning tires
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Ok Ok

3racing Gearbox Housing
Kawahara 45T Diff Rings
Kfactory Pinions
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RRR Front and Rear Hubs
Kyosho Lightweight Clutchbell

That's it, no other parts. I'm just making a good car even better so I have less work to do to look good.
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Far less maintenance with the FW. Serpent has the best clutch.
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I agree, the Serpent clutch is nice, but it won't work on an FW-05R so why bother mentioning it?
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Why are you still trying to prove which car is best?
Surely it's which car works best for the drivers driving style.
I for one found the Yokomo GT4 impossible to drive and wrote it off in under 5 weeks.
I tried a NTC3 ans spun out too easily, Mugen MTX2 was good but a bit tail happy, V1R was the best for me for 30 months then came the FW05 which really is my car, but another racer tried it and could not turn the corners, but he is at home with the GT4.

And on the subject of clutches, I rarely touch mine, it's now a year old and still running the original kit parts including the bearings, last greasing was about 6 meetings ago, maybe even longer.
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I knew a guy who sold his mugen to get the 710 when it came out. On the first day, he tapped the side of the car going into the pits and broke an A-arm. He immediately sold the car and got another Mugen. As for the Kyosho, I used to have the V1 RR and never broke anything on the car during the 1.5yrs I had it. Kyosho doesnt make nitro cars...They make TANKS!!!
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