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Old 10-27-2006, 06:00 PM   #8281
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bjones, without knowing your total set up I don't know which way to send you. I would suggest you try the setup I gave Kyosho America for a track called Timezone. That setup is for a low to medium bite track and works ok with both the one way and front diff. I personally have never come to grips with 37's all the way around. I have run 40's and 42's in different combinations and had more luck. I run the wc shocks and silver springs with a light sway bar almost everywhere I go. Most of the changes have been with toe in in the rear and out in the front and different neg. cambers. If you can run the Timezone setup and feed back how it works for you I may be able to assist you more. You can use the link on my signature to get to the Kyosho site.
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Old 10-27-2006, 07:47 PM   #8282
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thanks mike
have printed it off will try out this weekend this should give me a starting point will let you know the results and maybe you can point me in a direction from there.

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Old 10-28-2006, 04:53 AM   #8283
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after trying for a while adjusting the clutch my engine is still engaging too late on the rpms, if i add little screws like on the orion clutch, will the extra weight help the clutch to engage sooner?
why don't you buy a softer clutch spring?
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Old 10-28-2006, 03:58 PM   #8284
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why don't you buy a softer clutch spring?
can you tell me wich one fits? thanks in advance.
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Old 10-29-2006, 06:33 AM   #8285
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can you tell me wich one fits? thanks in advance.
i'm using the KYOSHO FMW16 CLUTCH SPRING (H) with great results. this is listed on the option parts section of the manual. the color is bronze if i'm not mistaken hope this helps
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Old 10-29-2006, 06:36 AM   #8286
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guys: would just like to ask how the sway bar works and what effect does on the kit if you make it harder or softer considering that all the other set-up factors remain the same. thanks
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guys: would just like to ask how the sway bar works and what effect does on the kit if you make it harder or softer considering that all the other set-up factors remain the same. thanks
As the car rolls the anti roll bar transfers load from the inside wheel to the outside wheel. This loads up that side as if the spring is stiffer. The result is a faster action. The downside is that the car doesnt roll so far and so you get slightly less grip

Stiffen the roll bar on the front and you get fast initial turn in with a loss of mid corner steering.

Stiffen the roll bar on the back and you get initial understeer.

When setting up the car always try to compensate for the negative effects of a setupchange. For instance

For more reactive steering stiffen the roll bar. To negate the loss of mid corner steering move the caster clips to the front and lower the roll centre
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Old 10-29-2006, 10:42 PM   #8288
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As the car rolls the anti roll bar transfers load from the inside wheel to the outside wheel. This loads up that side as if the spring is stiffer. The result is a faster action. The downside is that the car doesnt roll so far and so you get slightly less grip

Stiffen the roll bar on the front and you get fast initial turn in with a loss of mid corner steering.

Stiffen the roll bar on the back and you get initial understeer.

When setting up the car always try to compensate for the negative effects of a setupchange. For instance

For more reactive steering stiffen the roll bar. To negate the loss of mid corner steering move the caster clips to the front and lower the roll centre
i see...thanks... was really happy with the effect of the front and rear sway bars on the kit. before i installed the sway bars, the rear end of the kit was very loose. and after installing it, the rear end was more planted...
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doki_doki: It would be great if we could get a summary of all of your tuning updates... diff oils, tires, etc. etc. (i.e. before -> after)
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i'm using the KYOSHO FMW16 CLUTCH SPRING (H) with great results. this is listed on the option parts section of the manual. the color is bronze if i'm not mistaken hope this helps
I don't know which are the exact springs that fits, but they are listed in the option parts at the end of the RRR building guide book. There are medium and soft springs, i think that a medium on will let the engine to engage earlier in the RPMS.

What is the distance of the spring nut, the guide say 1.1 mm but 0.9 works fine, what distance do you use?
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Old 10-30-2006, 07:10 PM   #8291
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I don't know which are the exact springs that fits, but they are listed in the option parts at the end of the RRR building guide book. There are medium and soft springs, i think that a medium on will let the engine to engage earlier in the RPMS.

What is the distance of the spring nut, the guide say 1.1 mm but 0.9 works fine, what distance do you use?
well, when i was using the stock clutch spring that came with the kit, the distance of the spring nut was around 0.6 to 0.7mm. i had to loosen it so that the clutch would engage earlier. i did this because our tracks has only fair traction. following the recommended settings from the manual didn't work for me. engine had to reach a high rpm before the clutch engaged causing wheel spins. with this settings, sometimes the spring nut would loosen and cause damage to the clutch system. after changing to the FMW16 clutch spring, i was now able to screw in the the spring nut to 1.1mm. with this settting, the clutch would engage much earlier with the engine at a lower rpm as compared to the stock clutch spring. also, no more wheel spins was noted...
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Old 10-30-2006, 07:44 PM   #8292
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doki_doki: It would be great if we could get a summary of all of your tuning updates... diff oils, tires, etc. etc. (i.e. before -> after)
sure....no problem

before
(front/rear)
diff: 50,000wt/20,000wt
shock oil: 50wt/50wt
springs: blue/silver
shock position: 2nd/4th from bottom
toe: 1 deg out/2 deg in
camber: -1 deg/-3 deg
swaybars: flat (0 deg)/stock evo swaybars (black color)
tires: 40/40
ride height: 5.5/6.0
droop: 1/3
roll center: stock manual settings
belts: loose
tracks: technical with fair grip (a bit bumpy)

after
(front/rear)
diff: 50,000wt/5,000wt
shock oil: 50wt/50wt
springs: blue/blue
shock position: 2nd/3rd from bottom
toe: 1 deg out/2 deg in
camber: -1 deg/-3 deg
swaybars: flat (0 deg)/stock evo swaybars (black color)
tires: 40/40
ride height: 5.5/6.0
droop: 1/3
roll center: stock manual settings
belts: loose
tracks: technical with fair grip (a bit bumpy)
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hi...just got this kit less then a month...and last weekend was its 1st club race and with the stock setup i was able to reduce 0.5 sec of my best lap - ... the setup was still not the best or rather 80-90 percent. i feel when it get more dialed i can slash few more tenths...

the only upgrade i did was putting in the fr univrsal j and alu hexes. tq

p/s : for the moment i am not getting the turning that i want to in small or u turning...the car felt lazy during this stages, like the rear too much planted, at sweepers and large corners it was excellent... i was using 37 shore front and 40 rear...
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