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Old 09-05-2004, 07:25 AM   #16
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And gyroscopic forces on a rotating flywheel act at 90 degrees to the direction of motion.
Goats much better with a flexible spine too.
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Old 09-05-2004, 07:02 PM   #17
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RJL have you experienced any sort of torque steer.

I know that I haven't, I also know that you can design to prevent it. There are other rotating forces.


I think you just described the engine's torque reaction, here.

Ofcourse I did that was the point this is an example where the torque cannot not be eliminated. But this is different in RC cars where the rotating shafts are beside the engine and the rotate in the opposite direction.

There will be no torque steer under brakes.

There will if it exists it will be there when ever the shafts are rotating. It will be less but it will still be there

YOU may not notice it.

I certainly would. I have notice that my V1S was different from left to right or it didnt' track straight under power on a few occations and I found that I had set the droop unevenly. Or the geometry wasn't correct.
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Old 09-05-2004, 07:30 PM   #18
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The big point here is if you notice it or not. If i hold my fw-05 in the air ballanced at a neutral point and full throtle 2 things happen. 1 the car tilts to the rear. 2 the car tilts to the side due to the engines longitudinal mounting. Weather i can feel this on the track is entirely another story. But i do notice it has a bias in very low traction conditions.
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Old 09-05-2004, 10:15 PM   #19
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There are all sorts of forces acting on the car, torque steer is the least of my problems, like how do I fit a Serpent clutch to my ZT-1.
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Old 09-05-2004, 10:28 PM   #20
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RJL have you experienced any sort of torque steer.

I know that I haven't, I also know that you can design to prevent it. There are other rotating forces.
An example of the design prevention, please. And I mean prevention.

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I think you just described the engine's torque reaction, here.

Ofcourse I did that was the point this is an example where the torque cannot not be eliminated. But this is different in RC cars where the rotating shafts are beside the engine and the rotate in the opposite direction.
I've pointed out the relationship of the shafts. Please demonstarte how R/C cars are different.

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There will be no torque steer under brakes.

There will if it exists it will be there when ever the shafts are rotating. It will be less but it will still be there
With the clutch disengaged from the engine under brakes, there will be no torque reaction fed to the chassis or drivetrain.

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YOU may not notice it.

I certainly would. I have notice that my V1S was different from left to right or it didnt' track straight under power on a few occations and I found that I had set the droop unevenly. Or the geometry wasn't correct.
If you say it is a myth, how can you now say you would notice it?
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Old 09-05-2004, 10:31 PM   #21
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And gyroscopic forces on a rotating flywheel act at 90 degrees to the direction of motion.
Goats much better with a flexible spine too.
Hmmm . . . that of course is the advantage of goats, but I suspect we should class them as having "active suspension".

By the way, was I the only one who appreciated the "ball bearing rear end" comments a while ago?
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Old 09-05-2004, 10:32 PM   #22
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So how's your goat this year Gav.
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The big point here is if you notice it or not. If i hold my fw-05 in the air ballanced at a neutral point and full throtle 2 things happen. 1 the car tilts to the rear. 2 the car tilts to the side due to the engines longitudinal mounting. Weather i can feel this on the track is entirely another story. But i do notice it has a bias in very low traction conditions.
rcosmax,
Exactly.
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Old 09-05-2004, 10:33 PM   #24
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I dunno, I keep pitching 'em but they keep missing 'em.
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So how's your goat this year Gav.
Awaiting the arrival of a female goat this year in preparation for next years Nat's.
I first thought a male goat would have been faster as they are inherently stronger. How wrong can you be, eh.
It's obviously all about power to weight ratio. Besides, with a female goat, you've always got milk for your coffee.
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Someone who actually knows what they are talkin bout.. GO THE LD3! man i wish i could hang a sponsorship off Joe Patane (the importer) RB V12 RODY.. now theres some serious power!

lol Same man.

Im thinkin of selling my MTX and getting a LD3. Im very Very Close to doin it.
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Gav if you ever buy a shaft drive car you will see for yourself
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Gav if you ever buy a shaft drive car you will see for yourself
That's unlikely..he is getting a snake
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Gav if you ever buy a shaft drive car you will see for yourself
Good comeback.
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That's unlikely..he is getting a snake
Well at least it wouldn't have any torque steer . . . . or 17T pinions for that matter.
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