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Old 11-24-2010, 12:51 PM   #1
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Default mtx4r and xray nt1 or nt1 wc

to me this cars look the same with vary vary slight differances what up with that did the owner of xray work for mugen at one time i bet parts from the xray would work on the mtx4r. if the owner of xray worked for mugen at one time, that could be the reason why mtx4r has not been updated? i put my money on it that xray part would fit on mtx4r. any input to this
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to me this cars look the same with vary vary slight differances what up with that did the owner of xray work for mugen at one time i bet parts from the xray would work on the mtx4r. if the owner of xray worked for mugen at one time, that could be the reason why mtx4r has not been updated? i put my money on it that xray part would fit on mtx4r. any input to this
They may look the same... but its in the small details where the Xray is superior...

The top deck is much lower, the transmission is lighter, the clutch is way better than the MTX4's (you will never see someone using the stock one), the diffs are much smaller and lighter. The belts and pulleys last a lifetime. The car is much easier to work on. Even though Mugen's quality is really good, I have yet to see another brand to step up to Xray's quality.

Like I said... once you assemble and race a Xray kit, you will never look away.
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After running both cars, I would say that the Mugen is a very capable car, and was one of the best around its release time. But one of the biggest differences you will find is the drivetrain efficiency. The mugen's drivetrain out of the box and the NT1 out of the box are worlds apart. Which is why the mugen's first gear is so tall, it basicly tries to compensate for more driveline friction by gearing down to get that punch back.

When I got my first NT1 I weighed everything compared to the mugen and all of the drivetrain stock for stock weighed alot less. Regarding the designs, the nitro touring car market has come a long way but in the evolution of cars alot of the same principles are used in multiple cars, so that is why you see cars with basicly the same layout and just small variations between them.

Since its still winter most places and me trying to be unbiased, I would say wait till after the nurburgring toy fair. I think mugen MIGHT release the MTX5 then if its anticipated to be released in 2011?? After that if your in the market just grab an NT1 because its a great car and its current. Once your skills with nitro match the cars potential you can easily update whatever version NT1 you have since the chassis, bulkheads, diffs, and suspension geometry is the same up to the worlds edition. So even a 08 NT1 with a HD clutch + red shoe and composite diff gears will be pretty quick with the right engine/ setup. Compare this to the Mugen MTX4 current era its at the end of its development and new parts seem to have died off a bit.

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i have a mtx-4r and a nt1 nothing is the same
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Like RX7 said, wait for the long-waited release for the MTX5 or just go for the XRay NT1. Its a great car and I actually wish I got that instead of the RRR I have never heard a bad thing about the NT1, not one... except for parts price
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Like RX7 said, wait for the long-waited release for the MTX5 or just go for the XRay NT1. Its a great car and I actually wish I got that instead of the RRR I have never heard a bad thing about the NT1, not one... except for parts price
That's because they are awesome, except some complain that the plastics are to soft. I think the New mugen will be good if they resolve the drivetrain issue. And assuming it doesn't strip spurs like the 4. That's the main reason I switched from mugen to the Xray. I can say to this date I have never stripped an NT1 spur gear.
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After running both cars, I would say that the Mugen is a very capable car, and was one of the best around its release time. But one of the biggest differences you will find is the drivetrain efficiency. The mugen's drivetrain out of the box and the NT1 out of the box are worlds apart. Which is why the mugen's first gear is so tall, it basicly tries to compensate for more driveline friction by gearing down to get that punch back.

When I got my first NT1 I weighed everything compared to the mugen and all of the drivetrain stock for stock weighed alot less. Regarding the designs, the nitro touring car market has come a long way but in the evolution of cars alot of the same principles are used in multiple cars, so that is why you see cars with basicly the same layout and just small variations between them.

Since its still winter most places and me trying to be unbiased, I would say wait till after the nurburgring toy fair. I think mugen MIGHT release the MTX5 then if its anticipated to be released in 2011?? After that if your in the market just grab an NT1 because its a great car and its current. Once your skills with nitro match the cars potential you can easily update whatever version NT1 you have since the chassis, bulkheads, diffs, and suspension geometry is the same up to the worlds edition. So even a 08 NT1 with a HD clutch + red shoe and composite diff gears will be pretty quick with the right engine/ setup. Compare this to the Mugen MTX4 current era its at the end of its development and new parts seem to have died off a bit.

Hope this helps
I have to agree 100% My mtx4r handled like a dream; but the drive train was outdated.
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Good stuff RX7!! I guess it would only be possible for me to never strip a gear if I always check out how the pinion is and always check the mesh pretty much after every race!
How do you do it?
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Good stuff RX7!! I guess it would only be possible for me to never strip a gear if I always check out how the pinion is and always check the mesh pretty much after every race!
How do you do it?
make sure everything is in good condition. Clutch bell bearings, pinions, spurs. Then set the gear mesh of second gear without the first gear spur installed. It should be as close together as you can and still have the gear spin freely. Then once second is good I put the first gear spur on and make sure that's good. Its a feel thing I guess, press them together to see what it feels like when you have not enough gap and rotate the spur. It doesn't feel smooth at all and it binds. Basically your trying to get as much pinion to spur contact as you can without binding things up.

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