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Old 12-23-2010, 12:36 PM   #61
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The reason he said is Xray has enough money to invest in molds.

Other companies wanted to make more profit so they switched to CNC machines.

Remember rbakker....

x4 bulkheads
x4 bulkheads cover

Thats almost 20k for bulkheads and around 12k for the covers.

Look at Serpent... If they had sticked with plastic bulkheads and changed designs like they did now, they would have to invest another 30k in molds for the 733 and 966. Whereas, the cnc machining just needed to run a different model in the cnc program.

You say manhours... The plastic molding isn't automatic I believe. So someone still has to remove the parts and inspect them like aluminum parts.

Why do you think that KM already has a new chassis without a year into the car??? They just added a new process into the program to cut the middle of the chassis.
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So then forget about the moulding machines..
Why should they?? They know they have an awesome formula for plastics. And have enough money to make the molds, not to mention the R&D to just make one final design and come out a winner with it.
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Mugen now more then ever needs to sign Chris Tosolini. If they don't, it will be an XRay WC. No other driver than Chris, in my mind, can beat Mike driving an XRay. Even though the car is new and probably needs some testing time to find those extra tenths, Mike can find them along with the other team members.

I am not discounting Robert Pietsch, but Chris T. is a consistent awesome driver that "actually either" Kyosho or Mugen now needs or they can look at a downer 2011 sales year.
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You say manhours... The plastic molding isn't automatic I believe. So someone still has to remove the parts and inspect them like aluminum parts.
"Heard" they had hired a dressed monkey for that, that aint the cost.
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You forget one thing here in the US we have boards, not grass. So it does not take much. And just like you said $50 for a alum bulkhead or $8 for a plastic. I am going with plastic if I break it ,its $8. To where if I bend it, its $50.

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Well said Drew
If seen electric sedans tweak that have aluminum bulk heads in indoor tracks & already seen them on some of the newest 1/8th the only way u catch it is when ur doing a maintenance teardown
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Like Riketsu said it's all about how many kit's your planning to sell.
Xray is one of those brands which still sells enough kits to make composite bulkheads profitable.

Another thing which is quite important, Xray is one of those few companies which still have their entire factory in Europe.
CNC machining costs in Asia are close to nothing compared to Europe, which makes it easier for companies to have a lot of machined parts while maintaining competitive pricing.
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Like Riketsu said it's all about how many kit's your planning to sell.
Xray is one of those brands which still sells enough kits to make composite bulkheads profitable.

Another thing which is quite important, Xray is one of those few companies which still have their entire factory in Europe.
CNC machining costs in Asia are close to nothing compared to Europe, which makes it easier for companies to have a lot of machined parts while maintaining competitive pricing.
Competitve pricing or do you mean more profit to the manufacturer cause the prices are not dropping in fact the prices went up you could almost compare the tactics like a sweatshop overseas it's all about keeping the cost down & increase profits there are a few companies that you can really justify the R&D just wait n see with the economy being bad & it's not getting better either prices come down or u will see less racers at the tracks
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Well said Drew
If seen electric sedans tweak that have aluminum bulk heads in indoor tracks & already seen them on some of the newest 1/8th the only way u catch it is when ur doing a maintenance teardown
But that doesn`t happen that much right, or have you seen dozens off them.
Here a nice one off the T3 chassis, turn up the volume...

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But that doesn`t happen that much right, or have you seen dozens off them.
Here a nice one off the T3 chassis, turn up the volume...

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for 1/8th a little more than 3 in electric tons
the video has no merit to have a real test bot a mod motor drive it balls to the wall I mean cinder block wall then video it
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Will stop the discussion, like the xray brand and there cars,
only believe that if the car is plastic, they loose market at the alu cars.
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Will stop the discussion, like the xray brand and there cars,
only believe that if the car is plastic, they loose market at the alu cars.
Pretty strong comment. I guess we will just see in a few months. I can tell you that our pre-orders for the car are doing very well and people have not even seen pictures of it. Thats pretty good marketing if you ask me.

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Competitve pricing or do you mean more profit to the manufacturer cause the prices are not dropping in fact the prices went up you could almost compare the tactics like a sweatshop overseas it's all about keeping the cost down & increase profits there are a few companies that you can really justify the R&D just wait n see with the economy being bad & it's not getting better either prices come down or u will see less racers at the tracks
Competitive pricing compared to the manufacturers having their parts made in Asia.

Prices going up is mostly because of the weak dollar if you ask me. For me, A European, prices haven't gone up the last five years. Actually the hobby started to be more affordable because of the weak dollar/strong euro and ordering from Asia.
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NP Drew, thanks for explaning the "Harmonic Balance"

Kind regards,

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But that doesn`t happen that much right, or have you seen dozens off them.
Here a nice one off the T3 chassis, turn up the volume...

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So this is what Xray calls "the most advanced testing procedures and R&D"

Not bashing, just joking around.
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So this is what Xray calls "the most advanced testing procedures and R&D"

Not bashing, just joking around.
It was to demonstrate that independent suspension holder design on T3 would not cause the carbon fiber chassis to split upon impact (if I remember correctly)
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