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Old 03-10-2010, 01:48 PM   #76
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Comes down to City Ordinance, and Crystal Park Hotel & Casino. Raceway on the Hotel & Casino premises. And if they wanted to have Restroom facilites, cost bucks for for plumbing to accommodate. Portable toilets maybe sub par for Hotel & Casino wanted. All city politic. Looking at Silver Bowl in Vegas. It's Located in a public park. Off-road track 20' ( maybe 50')away from wall of Condo's or apartments. Portable toilets between the off-road track and on-road. Rumor are off-road track will move closer to Boyd Stadium,1/2 mile away.

City Ordinance is 85% of the problem 15% is Crystal Park Hiotel & Casino. That's my opinion of it, and its a shame of it. CP is very close to the werehouse district. I think CP decsion of closing the facility.

Revelation raceway had a choice. On- road or Off-road. thet had both. They chose off-road because of city ordinance.
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Comes down to City Ordinance, and Crystal Park Hotel & Casino. Raceway on the Hotel & Casino premises. And if they wanted to have Restroom facilites, cost bucks for for plumbing to accommodate. Portable toilets maybe sub par for Hotel & Casino wanted. All city politic. Looking at Silver Bowl in Vegas. It's Located in a public park. Off-road track 20' ( maybe 50')away from wall of Condo's or apartments. Portable toilets between the off-road track and on-road. Rumor are off-road track will move closer to Boyd Stadium,1/2 mile away.

City Ordinance is 85% of the problem 15% is Crystal Park Hiotel & Casino. That's my opinion of it, and its a shame of it. CP is very close to the werehouse district. I think CP decsion of closing the facility.

Revelation raceway had a choice. On- road or Off-road. thet had both. They chose off-road because of city ordinance.
OK, so lets figure out what we can do. Figure out how much we need to raise, and do it.. We put a f-ing man on the moon. We should be able to keep an RC track going FFS.
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Comes down to City Ordinance, and Crystal Park Hotel & Casino. Raceway on the Hotel & Casino premises. And if they wanted to have Restroom facilites, cost bucks for for plumbing to accommodate. Portable toilets maybe sub par for Hotel & Casino wanted. All city politic. Looking at Silver Bowl in Vegas. It's Located in a public park. Off-road track 20' ( maybe 50')away from wall of Condo's or apartments. Portable toilets between the off-road track and on-road. Rumor are off-road track will move closer to Boyd Stadium,1/2 mile away.

City Ordinance is 85% of the problem 15% is Crystal Park Hiotel & Casino. That's my opinion of it, and its a shame of it. CP is very close to the werehouse district. I think CP decsion of closing the facility.

Revelation raceway had a choice. On- road or Off-road. thet had both. They chose off-road because of city ordinance.

Just kinda odd, after 15 years, there's a problem with the City/Casino. We were at the Nova Rossi Race all seemed just fine. There must have been a trigger for it to shut down so quickly. I know there was a thread that was removed from RC Tech about this subject. That thread leads me to believe that there was something happening in the background.

Pooh, the economy is a large issue in the reduction in attendance. I have no issue with that. The RAMS, too, are suffering.

My gripe - this seemed to be a perfectly healthy club. A very motivated bunch racing there. I know we were very pleased when we went down - it had been 10 years since our last visiting. We were planing on going back. Now, well, it looks like we can't. Seems everybody is being very quiet about what transpired. If that's what the locals wanted - okay. I'm looking at this as a loss of a great racing facility - a place I would like to race at. Now I'm stuck, again, in a parking lot track. Sorry if my asking is bothering folks. Na, I'm not sorry at all....
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I think that everyone is looking in the wrong direction.
The economy is a big driving point here.
Even with all of the main manufactures located in the So Ca. area<Mugen,Kyosho,HPI, Associated,Ofna,> to name a few, they dont need to have a track and the expsenses associated in building and maintaining it.
So Ca. is just a very small part of the on-road community, and as much as I would like to see one of them, or even a joint effort between some of the larger manufacturers in building a track, it is just not cost effective.
The cost of land is at an all time high right now, not to mention the costs of building the track itself, and the supporting builings,<or signular building> would be much more than most people can comprehend.
Think about it for a second, you dont think that the sponsored drivers only participate in races in the local area. Some of them travel the world over, so they surely dont need a local track.
A local track would help promote the hobby of course, but in what area, the local area only, and would bring in some outside racers every couple of months when a larger event was held.
To build a track now would easliy cost in excess of $1,000.000.00 plus.
This I know for sure, as about 3 years ago I had the opportunity to open a track in Norco Ca. <only about 30 min. east of Orange Co.>
The land was Donated no less with an aggreement on a 25 year working span.
I then started getting drawings together, and pricing out the track and the items needed to get the track up and running. Before I even completed getting the prices together, I was right at $340.000.00. Now take into consideration the cost of the land had it not been donated, and it would have been very close to that majical number of 1 million dollars. Lucky for me the city would not zone the area for an RC track, because I can guarantee you I would have been closed down by now due to the recession we are in.
I would have lost my ass in less than three years.
So the point is, it is a hobby and a bad economy will not support a hobby when there are homes to pay for, car payments to be made, and just the fact that it is very difficult for most families even to survive right now.
I am no different than anyone else. I love to go to the track and race, and really miss having a local track near by, but I dont see it a new track happening any time soon<hope I am wrong though.>
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Well Bill.... I am glad Danny at WCRC didn't hear what you have to say about starting a track. Its obvious from the turnouts he's having, that there is no slowing down in the hobby. So if I look at the parking lot at West Coast on race nights, will I see a bunch of independently wealthy people parking their BMW's? Absolutely not.

People will find money to do what they love and people will find ways to survive despite the economy. If everything is "doom and gloom" you and everyone of us will have more to worry about than just not having a place to race. In other words, how many locks have you got on your doors? And have you got enough "ordinance" to survive civil disorder/anarchy? We can all thank God that it is not the case despite the severe downturn in the economy.

Again, I don't know where the idea comes from that real estate is costly because I see plenty of empty real estate out there begging to have a tenant/owner. With all the dealerships that have closed, why can't there be a track built on an old dealership lot? How hard could it be to lay out a track, build a drivers stand and fence it off with some cyclone fencing? Depending on the lot, there could already be restroom facilities and the walls in the dealer offices could be knocked down to to make room for a small hobby shop.

Do you really think that the owners of these empty lots would turn down a half decent tenant offer and have their lots sit empty for the next 3-5 years? If anything with all the turmoil in the automotive industry, I don't see the auto business bouncing back any time soon.
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Well Bill.... I am glad Danny at WCRC didn't hear what you have to say about starting a track. Its obvious from the turnouts he's having, that there is no slowing down in the hobby. So if I look at the parking lot at West Coast on race nights, will I see a bunch of independently wealthy people parking their BMW's? Absolutely not.

People will find money to do what they love and people will find ways to survive despite the economy. If everything is "doom and gloom" you and everyone of us will have more to worry about than just not having a place to race. In other words, how many locks have you got on your doors? And have you got enough "ordinance" to survive civil disorder/anarchy? We can all thank God that it is not the case despite the severe downturn in the economy.

Again, I don't know where the idea comes from that real estate is costly because I see plenty of empty real estate out there begging to have a tenant/owner. With all the dealerships that have closed, why can't there be a track built on an old dealership lot? How hard could it be to lay out a track, build a drivers stand and fence it off with some cyclone fencing? Depending on the lot, there could already be restroom facilities and the walls in the dealer offices could be knocked down to to make room for a small hobby shop.

Do you really think that the owners of these empty lots would turn down a half decent tenant offer and have their lots sit empty for the next 3-5 years? If anything with all the turmoil in the automotive industry, I don't see the auto business bouncing back any time soon.
Big differnce in indoor on-road and outdoor onroad where you are at the mercy of mother nature. Glenn at GLARCRC can tell you all about the liabilities involved with using an exisitng track.Plus, when its raining, where do you think the on-road races will be. Indoor!. Wheather does play a huge part in attendance, and maintenece of a track subjected to rain and wind. All that costs money. Security for an outdoor track. Lights for an outdoor track. Most warehouses already have the lights installed when they build the shell.Although they both run 1/10th scale the costs to build a track as I was looking into, and the cost to rent a warehouse where the lights are installed, restrooms built, and most of the construction<heavy construction> is already completed when the building is completed. Of course they had to bring in the dirt for the off-road, laydown some aspahlt for the on-road, but laying down a 2" section of asphalt over a 6" concrete floor is nothing compared to excavating, bringing in base, compacting the base, and the layingn down a 4" section of apshalt But like I was saying, Glenn can tell you everything invloved liability wise when you use an exisiting parking lot. Even that is not cheap, on top of that, you have to build the track<boards,timing system, drivers stand, it goes on and on. I wish someone could step up and do it, I just dont see an permanate outside track opening soon
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OK, so lets figure out what we can do. Figure out how much we need to raise, and do it.. We put a f-ing man on the moon. We should be able to keep an RC track going FFS.
Thats the easy part, the hard part come when it time to put someone or people in Charge of it. As you can see from other post on other threads there is always someone bitching about what is not be done right or dont like how the program is running or who is cleaning up the area, ect. Raising money is the easy part. We have a great track in Vegas, but not everyone is welling to do the labor to keep it up. Which is fine with me. They are at choice, but be good with your choice meaning dont complain if you are not helping out. $$ is not a help. Someone has to due the labor.

Now I have had few PM today about CP, and yes its shame someone went to city and caused this issue, I am sure be that the casino holds a Gaming Licnece looked at this and said we dont need any issue with the city regarding a track on our property when we need to keep a clean record with them for our Gaming.

Again unless I see it or hear it from city offical that it was a certian person or persons I cant really put my self on any side of this. I am sure this person if true is doing every thing they can to cover up there tracks. But it will come back to them soon.

I hear James had many issue but regardless of the issue all I can say that he at least gave the racer a place to race, at this time what choice would you make James or a closed track.
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I think what Rich was asking is that did we have knowledge at the time of the Novarossi Race that there was a problem at all, I'm a local and had not been told that there was any problems with the track, So I understand why people and myself included want to know what the hell happened so quickly, It does appear to be some top secret reason but I talked to James upon arriving to Cp to practice and was informed that the track was closed due to the City/bingo/business license needed/Hotel/Restrooms needing to be built/No longer being able to run as a club anymore) I asked why we were not told of this and I was told it came down after the Novarossi race and that CP had private investors to have all of the issues resolved,


Okay Now after that, I stopped by the following week and the track was still there just deserted, Then prior to me leaving for the Pre-worlds I stopped by because I heard that people were running on track and prepping it they're self, AND TO MY DISMAY ALL THE BOARDS HAD BEEN PULLED UP AND THE GREEN PAINTED LAYOUT LINES HAD BEEN PURPOSELY PAINTED OVER SO NOBODY COULD RUN AND JAMES TRAILER WAS GONE, SO RICH EVEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IN THE HELL HAPPENED WTF!! IT seems to me that if there really was a issue with the city/hotel we should have BEEN made abreast of the situation but that didn't happen Just a bunch [email protected]#% We didn't even have the chance to help save CP because James never enlightened the members that there was a problem , Well at least not me , Are there any CP members out there that knew? Because I didn't!!! AND I'M MAD AS HELL AS TO HOW THIS BULLSHIT WENT DOWN

I concur with Rich Browne whats all the rumors and secrecy about when all in all the track is closed and destroyed, So WTF did happen?


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I think the old adage of you never know how much you will miss something until it is gone is so very true with our on-road tracks here in the states. Crystal Park is no different.

Yes attendance is down due to the economy. However before the economy struck attendance was down from what it could have been because of some politics I was told. Now neither side of this situation wins. Another track gone for now. I am with the rest of you I hope this track returns soon.

Las Vegas is another example of the adage. There lies an excellent track in a great location set up by the city and no one is using the track but for 2 or 3 races a year. I know it takes time to clean the track to get ready for racing. However look at the work the Greater LA and Rams guys do twice a month to make racing available to everyone.

What is left now is the Greater LA R/C Club and the excellent work that these gentlemen are doing for our hobby. Everyone should be bending over backward to thank them especially to the men that do most of the unflattering work on race weekends. Yet I do read some posting on threads that don't share this view with consistently. With the closing of Crystal Park there should be plenty of people to help build and tear down the track to make it easy and fun for everyone.

Sometimes this hobby forgets it is suppose to be fun. My question to myself and others who listen is always why don't we have a lot of new faces and young drivers coming aboard as compared to electric and off-road racing. Obviously the amount of tracks available for these venues is one big reason. For nitro on-road a question we need to address is why the master class at major events is growing? The nitro on-road racing segment of the RC Market is getting smaller and older. We need to reverse this trend.

The only people that can change this trend are the guys that presently own tracks and the guys that form clubs and have people in that club that would rather help the race run each weekend than race themselves. Very unselfish people. However to change this trend these people need our support. They don't need the politics of not racing at a track because this guy said something or doesn't like someone at the track. We need to be excellent people, great representatives of our hobby, and racers at heart. With this enthusiasm showing at the tracks we can't help but get new racers. We need a club to form in Las Vegas and set a racing schedule at the their track (this can be done for those that don't know) and racers from LA should become members even if they wouldn't make that many races during the course of the year. We just need to support people that are willing to give up their time and weekends to set up races for the rest of us. If Vegas track was rolled over into grass to blend into the park, there would be a thread just like this one talking about how sorry everyone is about the track closing.

I wish there was an easy answer to keep our hobby growing. Obviously the economy did not help this situation. So maybe back to the basics. Tracks and clubs need to try to get new hobbyist. Have a pull start class that is relatively cheap using RTR's. ( Or some type of class that is cheap for newbies) Make sure this class is for the newbies so they are not intimated. Make sure other racers help these newbies every week. Try to get new members by talking about the club everywhere. At your work on the bulletin boards. Seek out free advertising from the local news papers for the race club as a community service. Get manufacturers to display banners on drivers stand for a yearly fee. Racers need to build the RC Nitro On-Road hobby. We need to do this by each local area throughout the USA. Examples are the GLA R/C Club, The Rams in Northern California (Bay Area), SpeedWorld, and others. Each group needs to work on build their membership using "all" of the racers in each of those areas. First and foremost we need to help and support our local area and also areas that are close to us. If you can afford it, go to a race outside your area and join their club if you can race their a couple of times a year. This helps the club stay there and be there for the next race you attend. As I said no easy answers and I don't have any answers just ideas. I am one of the old guys but sincerely wish to see young racers on the drivers stand which would identify we are keeping this exciting hobby growing.
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In all honesty, I don't think that james was expecting this at all. I think he was blindsided. In regards to not knowing the pressures that he was under from the city/casino/other higher ups, he's asked us for years for additional help with the track to cover the cost of bathrooms etc... Several times that I've been out there for the bigger races, he's mentioned to us locals that the track cannot be supported on big races alone; he needed more club race and practice support. I know times are tough for many of us financially, and I'm sure it was no different for him. I spoke to him at the Novarossi race, and he spoke highly of the 2010 race season at CP; hell, Robbie and Mike were going to hosting a points series of some sort weren't they? So I'm sure none of them saw this train wreck coming, which leads me to believe that something very f_).ed up happened around the Novarossi race.

I may not race like it, but I love this hobby and can't wait to be able to put more time into racing. It would be a shame if this track got ruined out of malice. Looking or not looking for blame is whatever-I'm sure the contributing factors may be many, or it may be one.
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In all honesty, I don't think that james was expecting this at all. I think he was blindsided. In regards to not knowing the pressures that he was under from the city/casino/other higher ups, he's asked us for years for additional help with the track to cover the cost of bathrooms etc... Several times that I've been out there for the bigger races, he's mentioned to us locals that the track cannot be supported on big races alone; he needed more club race and practice support. I know times are tough for many of us financially, and I'm sure it was no different for him. I spoke to him at the Novarossi race, and he spoke highly of the 2010 race season at CP; hell, Robbie and Mike were going to hosting a points series of some sort weren't they? So I'm sure none of them saw this train wreck coming, which leads me to believe that something very f_).ed up happened around the Novarossi race.

I may not race like it, but I love this hobby and can't wait to be able to put more time into racing. It would be a shame if this track got ruined out of malice. Looking or not looking for blame is whatever-I'm sure the contributing factors may be many, or it may be one.
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My question to myself and others who listen is always why don't we have a lot of new faces and young drivers coming aboard as compared to electric off-road racing. Obviously the amount of tracks available for these venues is one big reason. For nitro on-road a question we need to address is why the master class at major events is growing? The nitro on-road racing segment of the RC Market is getting smaller and older. We need to reverse this trend....


... So maybe back to the basics. Tracks and clubs need to try to get new hobbyist. Have a pull start class that is relatively cheap using RTR's. ( Or some type of class that is cheap for newbies) Make sure this class is for the newbies so they are not intimated...

... I am one of the old guys but sincerely wish to see young racers on the drivers stand which would identify we are keeping this exciting hobby growing.
That is the main problem with nitro and electric onroad right now. What you suggested is also a solution but so far I haven't seen any movement in making that happen. Seems like everytime there is a "spec" class, there always seems to be a bunch of "sandbaggers" who want to jump in and spoil it all for the newbies. I myself know of a few "onroad" enthusiasts who have quit to do offroad simply because it wasn't "worthwhile" anymore. The cost to stay competitive is simply too staggering.
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I think what Rich was asking is that did we have knowledge at the time of the Novarossi Race that there was a problem at all, I'm a local and had not been told that there was any problems with the track, So I understand why people and myself included want to know what the hell happened so quickly, It does appear to be some top secret reason but I talked to James upon arriving to Cp to practice and was informed that the track was closed due to the City/bingo/business license needed/Hotel/Restrooms needing to be built/No longer being able to run as a club anymore) I asked why we were not told of this and I was told it came down after the Novarossi race and that CP had private investors to have all of the issues resolved,


Okay Now after that, I stopped by the following week and the track was still there just deserted, Then prior to me leaving for the Pre-worlds I stopped by because I heard that people were running on track and prepping it they're self, AND TO MY DISMAY ALL THE BOARDS HAD BEEN PULLED UP AND THE GREEN PAINTED LAYOUT LINES HAD BEEN PURPOSELY PAINTED OVER SO NOBODY COULD RUN AND JAMES TRAILER WAS GONE, SO RICH EVEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IN THE HELL HAPPENED WTF!! IT seems to me that if there really was a issue with the city/hotel we should have BEEN made abreast of the situation but that didn't happen Just a bunch [email protected]#% We didn't even have the chance to help save CP because James never enlightened the members that there was a problem , Well at least not me , Are there any CP members out there that knew? Because I didn't!!! AND I'M MAD AS HELL AS TO HOW THIS BULLSHIT WENT DOWN

I concur with Rich Browne whats all the rumors and secrecy about when all in all the track is closed and destroyed, So WTF did happen?


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I think the old adage of you never know how much you will miss something until it is gone is so very true with our on-road tracks here in the states. Crystal Park is no different.

Yes attendance is down due to the economy. However before the economy struck attendance was down from what it could have been because of some politics I was told. Now neither side of this situation wins. Another track gone for now. I am with the rest of you I hope this track returns soon.

Las Vegas is another example of the adage. There lies an excellent track in a great location set up by the city and no one is using the track but for 2 or 3 races a year. I know it takes time to clean the track to get ready for racing. However look at the work the Greater LA and Rams guys do twice a month to make racing available to everyone.

What is left now is the Greater LA R/C Club and the excellent work that these gentlemen are doing for our hobby. Everyone should be bending over backward to thank them especially to the men that do most of the unflattering work on race weekends. Yet I do read some posting on threads that don't share this view with consistently. With the closing of Crystal Park there should be plenty of people to help build and tear down the track to make it easy and fun for everyone.

Sometimes this hobby forgets it is suppose to be fun. My question to myself and others who listen is always why don't we have a lot of new faces and young drivers coming aboard as compared to electric and off-road racing. Obviously the amount of tracks available for these venues is one big reason. For nitro on-road a question we need to address is why the master class at major events is growing? The nitro on-road racing segment of the RC Market is getting smaller and older. We need to reverse this trend.

The only people that can change this trend are the guys that presently own tracks and the guys that form clubs and have people in that club that would rather help the race run each weekend than race themselves. Very unselfish people. However to change this trend these people need our support. They don't need the politics of not racing at a track because this guy said something or doesn't like someone at the track. We need to be excellent people, great representatives of our hobby, and racers at heart. With this enthusiasm showing at the tracks we can't help but get new racers. We need a club to form in Las Vegas and set a racing schedule at the their track (this can be done for those that don't know) and racers from LA should become members even if they wouldn't make that many races during the course of the year. We just need to support people that are willing to give up their time and weekends to set up races for the rest of us. If Vegas track was rolled over into grass to blend into the park, there would be a thread just like this one talking about how sorry everyone is about the track closing.

I wish there was an easy answer to keep our hobby growing. Obviously the economy did not help this situation. So maybe back to the basics. Tracks and clubs need to try to get new hobbyist. Have a pull start class that is relatively cheap using RTR's. ( Or some type of class that is cheap for newbies) Make sure this class is for the newbies so they are not intimated. Make sure other racers help these newbies every week. Try to get new members by talking about the club everywhere. At your work on the bulletin boards. Seek out free advertising from the local news papers for the race club as a community service. Get manufacturers to display banners on drivers stand for a yearly fee. Racers need to build the RC Nitro On-Road hobby. We need to do this by each local area throughout the USA. Examples are the GLA R/C Club, The Rams in Northern California (Bay Area), SpeedWorld, and others. Each group needs to work on build their membership using "all" of the racers in each of those areas. First and foremost we need to help and support our local area and also areas that are close to us. If you can afford it, go to a race outside your area and join their club if you can race their a couple of times a year. This helps the club stay there and be there for the next race you attend. As I said no easy answers and I don't have any answers just ideas. I am one of the old guys but sincerely wish to see young racers on the drivers stand which would identify we are keeping this exciting hobby growing.
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I will bring it up at our meeting wednesday and see if we can put together a couple 2 day races if you socal guys want to come up and run at rams.
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That would be awesome!!
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