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Old 01-13-2010, 09:03 PM   #1
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A few of you will understand why I'm posting this photo, most of you won't. It's because of a claim I made a few years ago. For those of you who remember what I said: The picture speaks for itself.

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hey reiner. do you know when the next onroad track gonna be? i miss running my v1s.
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hey reiner. do you know when the next onroad track gonna be? i miss running my v1s.
You've got PM.
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rmdhawaii,
Could you spill the beans on this "mystery", I can't figure out the meaning of all the pictures, the chassis's look alike for all these models. The wear/chassis scraping is different.
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Could you spill the beans on this "mystery", I can't figure out the meaning of all the pictures, the chassis's look alike for all these models. The wear/chassis scraping is different.
You can ignore the scratches, that's just me.

There is no mystery to solve. This is just one of those stupid Rainer things. But if you want to try and figure it out, here are photos of the 720 (left)* and 733 (right) chassis. Later on tonight I'm going to post a photo of the Capricorn Lab C01 chassis as well. I haven't found a picture of the Velox V10 chassis yet.

I think it's just hilarious that Serpent stamped "Aerospace Quality" on the 733 chassis. They should have stamped "Handcrafted by Hephaistos" on it instead.

* Credit for the 720 chassis photo goes to ordinaryzam, cause I couldn't find any other straight on photo for the 720.

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A few of you will understand why I'm posting this photo, most of you won't. It's because of a claim I made a few years ago. For those of you who remember what I said: The picture speaks for itself.
The first picture was the SP chassis, the evo wc had a battery tray too but it still had that brace in the front so your point is still valid. it was very common for most team/some non team drivers to cut that brace which basically gave you something more similar to the mtx4/nt1/evo2. Very interesting to see them all side by side when each manufacturer releases "revolutionary changes".. The only one I see with any creativity here is the Serpent but their chassis was unique on the 720 as well as the 733 and I have no real idea if that is good or not although I think every one of the top cars is about the same as the others. Some do have a bigger 'sweet spot' for setup though, others can be drastically changed with only a small caster adjustment.
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The first picture was the SP chassis, the evo wc had a battery tray too but it still had that brace in the front so your point is still valid. it was very common for most team/some non team drivers to cut that brace which basically gave you something more similar to the mtx4/nt1/evo2. Very interesting to see them all side by side when each manufacturer releases "revolutionary changes".. The only one I see with any creativity here is the Serpent but their chassis was unique on the 720 as well as the 733 and I have no real idea if that is good or not although I think every one of the top cars is about the same as the others. Some do have a bigger 'sweet spot' for setup though, others can be drastically changed with only a small caster adjustment.
I wish I knew what his point was?????
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The first picture was the SP chassis, the evo wc had a battery tray too but it still had that brace in the front so your point is still valid. it was very common for most team/some non team drivers to cut that brace which basically gave you something more similar to the mtx4/nt1/evo2. Very interesting to see them all side by side when each manufacturer releases "revolutionary changes".. The only one I see with any creativity here is the Serpent but their chassis was unique on the 720 as well as the 733 and I have no real idea if that is good or not although I think every one of the top cars is about the same as the others. Some do have a bigger 'sweet spot' for setup though, others can be drastically changed with only a small caster adjustment.
The convergence of chassis design is extremely interesting when you start mapping car development and car release to a timeline. And as you point out, they are all becoming similar.

What I don't understand, is the impact of changing the middle of the chassis (RRR vs RRR EVO2) so that it angles more inward from back to front and the significant of the point at which it starts to angle inward. I have my theories, but I'm probably way off-base.
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They my look similar but they don't perform the same! Get over it the kyosho and the xray are better cars then the mugen. I can show you laptimes of drivers who use to drive the mtx4r and are now faster with the 733,vonerrr evo2 wc,nt1. The mtx4r is great car had one 2years ago with all the hopups made for the car but I was alot faster with the vonerrr evo2 wc last year. This year I am going to run the nt1 ec to see how I like it. I don't go off of what other people say about motors, and cars, I buy them a test them out my self. So stop these stupid mtx4r vs the world threads the car is outdated. By the way the only reason why the mtx4r won the 2006 worlds is because Andrea rossi broke Chris toso car when he was up by over 2 laps on the entire field. And it still took him the whole race to reel Chris in even through he was driveing with a broken front suspension. Kyosho tqed at every 10 scale world chamionship and either won or had two cars on the podium. Enough said!!!!!
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So stop these stupid mtx4r vs the world threads the car is outdated.
Funny. That's not the point of this thread. That's just the title.

Not only that , I own two RRRs and a NT1 - and I used to own a MTX-4 as well.
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By the way the only reason why the mtx4r won the 2006 worlds is because Andrea rossi broke Chris toso car when he was up by over 2 laps on the entire field. And it still took him the whole race to reel Chris in even through he was driveing with a broken front suspension. Kyosho tqed at every 10 scale world chamionship and either won or had two cars on the podium. Enough said!!!!!
While I agree with you about the MTX4-R wininng the Worlds becasue Chris had problems, I just to clarify what actually happened.

Andrea didn't break the front suspension. He accidently pulled off the antenna tube during a fuel stop. This lead to radio clitches at the end of the back straight so Chris would back off way before the corner which allowed Fukuda to eventually catch up and move into the lead.

I was there competing at the event and saw the whole race.
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This is the only good photo I could find of the Capricorn lab-c01 chassis is a blinged out version by My Candy Team. I couldn't find a clean photo of the Shepherd Velox 10 chassis. Maybe one will surface later.

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They my look similar but they don't perform the same! Get over it the kyosho and the xray are better cars then the mugen. I can show you laptimes of drivers who use to drive the mtx4r and are now faster with the 733,vonerrr evo2 wc,nt1. The mtx4r is great car had one 2years ago with all the hopups made for the car but I was alot faster with the vonerrr evo2 wc last year. This year I am going to run the nt1 ec to see how I like it. I don't go off of what other people say about motors, and cars, I buy them a test them out my self. So stop these stupid mtx4r vs the world threads the car is outdated. By the way the only reason why the mtx4r won the 2006 worlds is because Andrea rossi broke Chris toso car when he was up by over 2 laps on the entire field. And it still took him the whole race to reel Chris in even through he was driveing with a broken front suspension. Kyosho tqed at every 10 scale world chamionship and either won or had two cars on the podium. Enough said!!!!!
Dude, you need to get over your dislike for the Mugen car. What is funny is that you are the only one being negative and bashing a product. You missed the point totally. I think rmdhawaii's main point is that no matter what each company claims about their car, they all seem to be similar, especially in chassis design. The proof is in the pics. A fast driver is a fast driver no matter what chassis he drives so long as the set-up is spot on, the engine is tuned perfectly, the plastics that make up the rest of the car hold up and don't break easily, the proper tires are used, and a little luck here and there.
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Here are some scenarios and questions for people to think about. I know you guys know the answers to these questions, but think about them in the context of how this applies to comparing cars to each other. I don’t expect anyone to post answers. You can draw your own conclusions.

Scenario #1:

Let’s say I create something similar to the IROC series for R/C – so everyone has the exactly the same equipment – car, engine, pipe, body and transmitter, etc. We invite Jilles, Chris, Daniele, Martin, Paul and Dario to participate in this event. We give them a week to test the cars and they can do whatever they want to them and then at the end of the week, we get to see who is the fastest.

Question: How similar do you think the configuration and setup will be when you take a look at each car? Why?

After we see who is the fastest, we tell each driver to hand their transmitter over to the guy next to him and without changing any settings on the transmitter, they have to drive the car and see who is the fastest and we do this again and again until each driver has had a chance to drive each other’s car.

Question: Do you think drivers will perform the same, better or worse with the other drivers’ car and transmitter settings? Why?

Scenario #2:

We have one each of the different brand of cars listed above with identical equipment. We give the car to one driver, he has a week to test each car, do whatever he wants to it and at the end of the week, we see how fast he can get each car around the track.

Question: When you compare the setup sheet for each car, will each car have the same settings (value)? Reason?

So… A few more questions:

True or false? When you make individual setup changes to a car, you change the overall performance and handling characteristics of the entire car, not just of that of individual setting.

1. Yes or No? Is it possible, that in the process of making setup adjustments to compensate for track conditions, that a car can actually becomes slower than if the car were running on a track for which it was optimally baselined?

2. Yes or No? Is it possible to engineer a car that is minimally impacted by setup changes, such that it doesn’t lose speed under any track conditions relative to the track for which it was optimally basedlined?

3. Yes or No? Is it possible, that one manufacturer has figured out what the optimal chassis design is and the other manufacturers, based on their own testing of that design, are using a similar design on their own cars?

4. Yes or No? Do you think manufacturers decide to make improvements to their car based on the performance of other cars relative to their own car?

5. Yes or No? Do you think manufacturers delay release of improvements to their cars based on what improvements other manufacturers release first?

6. Yes or No? When a new car is released, do you think other manufactures analyze the car’s design and engineering changes and incorporate them into their own car?

On these last six yes or no questions, what conclusion can you draw if you answered “yes” more than you did “no” - and what conclusion can you draw if you answered "no" more than "yes"? Maybe there is no conclusion to be drawn.

Don't take this too seriously. As I indicated at the start, these are just things to think about...
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where's the chassis shot of the G4RS '09 ?
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