European 2wd 1/8th pan car on-road Classic class
#46
Im guessing though here in the US if i can just add a $50 part and run it on my original chassis great...... If the class doesnt take off then im out $50 with a small paper weight. If I spend $400+ and the class doesnt take off then i got a slightly bigger more expensive paper weight. Also simple goes only so far eventually we want more of this or more of that to get them to handle here in the US. Alot of our tracks arent smooth like oversees so a full suspension 2wd might be the only thing that will work here for example the old Vector....i believe $500 for 2wd $550 for 4wd if you got tired of one you could run the other and keep all the same stuff and use the left overs off of the 4wd people
#47
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Secondly getting any type of rear ball diff mass produced of retro fitted is going to be a ton of work.
No one really makes a 1/8 onroad ball/gear diff. You would have to retro fit one from a 200mm or offroad car...not fun unless you have a milling machine in your garage..and at that point you could build a simple complete 2wd conversion for say a mrx4x with fiberglass chassis.
No one really makes a 1/8 onroad ball/gear diff. You would have to retro fit one from a 200mm or offroad car...not fun unless you have a milling machine in your garage..and at that point you could build a simple complete 2wd conversion for say a mrx4x with fiberglass chassis.
#48
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I think it would be mistake to run them without lola style bodies.
It is the same problem igt cars have..handle like box of rocks.
Why install bodies that will make the car hadle worse? Especially for a newbie and again they look like cars in open class. Same reason they never run gt bodies on 1/12...they dont work and 2wd pancar is just a giant nitro 1/12.
It is the same problem igt cars have..handle like box of rocks.
Why install bodies that will make the car hadle worse? Especially for a newbie and again they look like cars in open class. Same reason they never run gt bodies on 1/12...they dont work and 2wd pancar is just a giant nitro 1/12.
Like I said, it is just an idea guys but first, you have to let go of "how it use to be". These newer cars are designed better and probably handle better that their predecessors. Also, lexan bodies are designed and molded better than they were "back in the day". It is like this: many of you drive Hondas and Toyotas now. Well, back in the late 60s and early 70s when they were introduced to the US markets, they were little tin pieces (if you remember back that far). Well, they are not that way now due to progress. Using your lines of thinking about 1/8th scale touring, then the Hondas and Toyotas of today are still the like the little tin pieces from the 60s/70s that aren't worth owning or driving right? At some point, they improved and were worthy of consideration for purchase/ownership right?
#49
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I dont think my point on the igt was clear.
I am sure with tinkering anything will work...the appeal of the class would be simplicity.
The pancars are pretty simple and not alot of adjustment. This would be a better start for a newbie or budget racers.
Same thing goes for the body....by running lola style body you already have max grip and steering. Much easier for a newbie/budget racer as you dont have to try to create grip thru other adjustments.
I ran gt car for a friend to break it in and attempt to improve handling...it ran the same with and without the body. I dont think the body has much of an effect on handling...that is not the case with a lola style body on a pancar electric or nitro...big difference in rear grip and balance.
On an unprep surface parking lot temp track I am sure they are a blast and great fun..however on a super clean,smooth,treated surface novelty tends to wear off quickly. I think this is why the class has not really caught on at the two permanent onroad tracks in northeast.
I am sure with tinkering anything will work...the appeal of the class would be simplicity.
The pancars are pretty simple and not alot of adjustment. This would be a better start for a newbie or budget racers.
Same thing goes for the body....by running lola style body you already have max grip and steering. Much easier for a newbie/budget racer as you dont have to try to create grip thru other adjustments.
I ran gt car for a friend to break it in and attempt to improve handling...it ran the same with and without the body. I dont think the body has much of an effect on handling...that is not the case with a lola style body on a pancar electric or nitro...big difference in rear grip and balance.
On an unprep surface parking lot temp track I am sure they are a blast and great fun..however on a super clean,smooth,treated surface novelty tends to wear off quickly. I think this is why the class has not really caught on at the two permanent onroad tracks in northeast.
#50
I think it would be mistake to run them without lola style bodies.
It is the same problem igt cars have..handle like box of rocks.
Why install bodies that will make the car hadle worse? Especially for a newbie and again they look like cars in open class. Same reason they never run gt bodies on 1/12...they dont work and 2wd pancar is just a giant nitro 1/12.
It is the same problem igt cars have..handle like box of rocks.
Why install bodies that will make the car hadle worse? Especially for a newbie and again they look like cars in open class. Same reason they never run gt bodies on 1/12...they dont work and 2wd pancar is just a giant nitro 1/12.
senna dude, in the past I’ve read you bad talking GT cars, racers & racing in general on these threads.
Since you are someone that represents your track facility in Conn, maybe you should be more careful about your chosen words regarding GT class cars if you ever want to see your track enjoy on the growth of the class. You know that I sent you a “PM” on this before, remember………..
Here are a few reasons from racers from different countries that should help you should re-think how you talk about GT cars in the future:
Ipanema Sports 2010 GT World Championships at Homestead Miami Speedway Florida
It's almost a sold-out show, all GT2 Spec class pre-entry spots are filled and the race isn’t until next March!
GT1 Open Class
1. Juan Tejero GT1 Open Peru
2. Michael Haley GT1 Open USA
3. Deshun Dash GT1 Open USA
4. Todd Satkunas GT1 Open USA
5. Jose Baquero GT1 Open Venezuela
6. Salvatore Sortino GT1 Open Venezuela
7. Paul Roberts GT1 Open USA
8. Jeff Vargas GT1 Open USA
9. Partricio Concha GT1 Open Chile
10. Tim Phanidasak GT1 Open USA
11. Romulo Arcia GT1 Open Venezuela
12. Steve Miles GT1 Open USA
13. Jeff Green GT1 Open USA
14. Juan Luis Larrabure GT1 Open Peru
15. Miguel Daumont GT1 Open Puerto Rico
16. Eduardo Aparo Rizzi GT1 Open Venezuela
17. Tori Santiago GT1 Open Puerto Rico
18. Tommy Bond GT1 Open USA
19. Gus Wood GT1 Open USA
20. Luis Pineda GT1 Open Mexico
21. Ronnie Setser GT1 Open USA
22. Mark Borchert GT1 Open USA
23. Luis Ramos GT1 Open Puerto Rico
24. Andy Liu GT1 Open USA
25. Augusto Buchholtz GT1 Open Chile
26. Pablo Riveros GT1 Open Chile
27. Reinaldo Gil GT1 Open Chile
28. Rodrigo Cartergianni GT1 Open Chile
29. Jaime E. Negron GT1 Open Puerto Rico
30. Fernando Requejo GT1 Open Venezuela
31. Diron West GT1 Open USA
32. Eggie Betancourt GT1 Open Puerto Rico
33. Demonte Thornton GT1 Open USA
34. Joerg Schaedler GT1 Open Mexico
35. Todd Marshall GT1 Open USA
36. Edwin Ortiz GT1 Open Puerto Rico
Only 14 spots left in GT1 Open
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3. Juan Luis Larrabure GT2 Spec Peru
4. Todd Satkunas GT2 Spec USA
5. Marcus Vinicius da Silva GT2 Spec Brazil
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8. Fritz Adolph GT2 Spec USA
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21. Miguel Lopez Alcala GT2 Spec Mexico
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25. Alferatt Vidal Repetto GT2 Spec Peru
26. Victor Babani GT2 Spec Mexico
27. Hector Suarez GT2 Spec Mexico
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30. Raul Rivera GT2 Spec Mexico
31. Rafael Chapa GT2 Spec Mexico
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34. Luis Pineda GT2 Spec Mexico
35. Gus Wood GT2 Spec USA
36. Ronnie Setser GT2 Spec USA
37. Steve Nguyen GT2 Spec USA
38. Gary Strainer GT2 Spec USA
39. Abel Elizondo GT2 Spec Mexico
40. Guillermo Cadena GT2 Spec Mexico
41. Jeff Green GT2 Spec USA
42. Michael Frazier GT2 Spec USA
43. Diego Belmonte GT2 Spec Mexico
44. Juan Guillermo Garcia Pantoja GT2 Spec Mexico
45. Jose Luis Garcia Dominguez GT2 Spec Mexico
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47. Todd Marshall GT2 Spec USA
48. Todd Forcione GT2 Spec USA
49. Steven Jackson GT2 Spec USA
50. Erick Nunez GT2 Spec Mexico
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I now return you to your great 1/8 pan car thread
#51
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I dont think my point on the igt was clear.
I am sure with tinkering anything will work...the appeal of the class would be simplicity.
The pancars are pretty simple and not alot of adjustment. This would be a better start for a newbie or budget racers.
Same thing goes for the body....by running lola style body you already have max grip and steering. Much easier for a newbie/budget racer as you dont have to try to create grip thru other adjustments.
I ran gt car for a friend to break it in and attempt to improve handling...it ran the same with and without the body. I dont think the body has much of an effect on handling...that is not the case with a lola style body on a pancar electric or nitro...big difference in rear grip and balance.
On an unprep surface parking lot temp track I am sure they are a blast and great fun..however on a super clean,smooth,treated surface novelty tends to wear off quickly. I think this is why the class has not really caught on at the two permanent onroad tracks in northeast.
I am sure with tinkering anything will work...the appeal of the class would be simplicity.
The pancars are pretty simple and not alot of adjustment. This would be a better start for a newbie or budget racers.
Same thing goes for the body....by running lola style body you already have max grip and steering. Much easier for a newbie/budget racer as you dont have to try to create grip thru other adjustments.
I ran gt car for a friend to break it in and attempt to improve handling...it ran the same with and without the body. I dont think the body has much of an effect on handling...that is not the case with a lola style body on a pancar electric or nitro...big difference in rear grip and balance.
On an unprep surface parking lot temp track I am sure they are a blast and great fun..however on a super clean,smooth,treated surface novelty tends to wear off quickly. I think this is why the class has not really caught on at the two permanent onroad tracks in northeast.
Now, back to the topic, why not think outside the box a little? Why not have a little variety instead of "being like the established class"? If you want to run a lola body, you already have 4wd. Like I said, it is just an idea for consideration, not something that "has to be done". Dude, I like the idea of having a 2wd class of 1/8th scales, I would just like it to be a bit different from the established class (4wd).
#52
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No one really runs this class in the area.
Your opinion in noted but I dont agree...and honestly dont really care.
If you have a thousand people that show up at your race that is great. Very few people run this class in the area.
I am sure you have a thriving group of racers that really enjoy this class...that is great it. Enjoy it keep it going. It has not caught on in area and I have no interest in trying to help build this class as I dont think it is a good solution for getting new racers to the track. It needs to be something similar to a traxxas slash extremely simple..cheap...slow....but resembles other racing cars at an event.
My idea behind the thread is to get new people at the track...to buy a ready to run, modify the heck out of it, put a big horsepower engine and your back to cost of a 200mm or 1/8 and it becomes really complex and guess what...no new racers.
Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please with all due respect get over it and move on I am sure your time is better spent in other areas.
Your opinion in noted but I dont agree...and honestly dont really care.
If you have a thousand people that show up at your race that is great. Very few people run this class in the area.
I am sure you have a thriving group of racers that really enjoy this class...that is great it. Enjoy it keep it going. It has not caught on in area and I have no interest in trying to help build this class as I dont think it is a good solution for getting new racers to the track. It needs to be something similar to a traxxas slash extremely simple..cheap...slow....but resembles other racing cars at an event.
My idea behind the thread is to get new people at the track...to buy a ready to run, modify the heck out of it, put a big horsepower engine and your back to cost of a 200mm or 1/8 and it becomes really complex and guess what...no new racers.
Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please with all due respect get over it and move on I am sure your time is better spent in other areas.
#53
I have never raced an IGT car but I did drive one and it drove very well. Not as responsive as I would like but very easy to drive for a noob and I'm sure a stiffer set-up would get the responsiveness I would want. I have also seen some that looked like a nightmare to drive. Just like anything else, it's all in the set-up.
#54
No one really runs this class in the area.
Your opinion in noted but I dont agree...and honestly dont really care.
If you have a thousand people that show up at your race that is great. Very few people run this class in the area.
I am sure you have a thriving group of racers that really enjoy this class...that is great it. Enjoy it keep it going. It has not caught on in area and I have no interest in trying to help build this class as I dont think it is a good solution for getting new racers to the track. It needs to be something similar to a traxxas slash extremely simple..cheap...slow.
My idea behind the thread is to get new people at the track...to buy a ready to run, modify the heck out of it, put a big horsepower engine and your back to cost of a 200mm or 1/8 and it becomes really complex and guess what...no new racers.
Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please with all due respect get over it and move on I am sure your time is better spent in other areas.
Your opinion in noted but I dont agree...and honestly dont really care.
If you have a thousand people that show up at your race that is great. Very few people run this class in the area.
I am sure you have a thriving group of racers that really enjoy this class...that is great it. Enjoy it keep it going. It has not caught on in area and I have no interest in trying to help build this class as I dont think it is a good solution for getting new racers to the track. It needs to be something similar to a traxxas slash extremely simple..cheap...slow.
My idea behind the thread is to get new people at the track...to buy a ready to run, modify the heck out of it, put a big horsepower engine and your back to cost of a 200mm or 1/8 and it becomes really complex and guess what...no new racers.
Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please with all due respect get over it and move on I am sure your time is better spent in other areas.
But know this.....
You have just told all GT racers from around the world that your track doesn't care about them and our class.
Thanks for your wishes of good luck, but luck doesn'e have anything to do with the growth your track will not experence until you learn to keep you negative thoughts to yourself.
#56
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Another thing to note on the keeping it simple angle is that the 2wd pan cars, to the best of my knowledge, all use a single speed tranny, and off road type clutch systems, which are much easier to adjust and maintain.
As far as the GT discussion goes, the cars can work quite well or quite poorly, depending on tires, setup, and quality of assembly. I have seen both ends of the spectrum. I think this thread is on the right track with the 2wd pan car discussion, perhaps the GT discussion should relocate to a GT thread.
As far as the GT discussion goes, the cars can work quite well or quite poorly, depending on tires, setup, and quality of assembly. I have seen both ends of the spectrum. I think this thread is on the right track with the 2wd pan car discussion, perhaps the GT discussion should relocate to a GT thread.
#57
I will say this much. I do think GT is ultimately doomed. Not right now. Right now it seems like a great class. It will be doomed the day someone like Serpent or Mugen decides to build a full blown race car just for the class instead of a revamped buggy. Then it will be just as expensive, demanding and difficult as 1/8th so why bother.
#58
As far as the GT discussion goes, the cars can work quite well or quite poorly, depending on tires, setup, and quality of assembly. I have seen both ends of the spectrum. I think this thread is on the right track with the 2wd pan car discussion, perhaps the GT discussion should relocate to a GT thread.
Just so we all understand that whenever senna or anyone tries to bad talk GT they understand I will be there to set them straight on any thread.
yo senna, yawn all you want, when the GT race is 100+ strong, remember what your track's turn-outs have been all year long.
#60
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I dont think my point on the igt was clear.
I am sure with tinkering anything will work...the appeal of the class would be simplicity.
The pancars are pretty simple and not alot of adjustment. This would be a better start for a newbie or budget racers.
Same thing goes for the body....by running lola style body you already have max grip and steering. Much easier for a newbie/budget racer as you dont have to try to create grip thru other adjustments.
I ran gt car for a friend to break it in and attempt to improve handling...it ran the same with and without the body. I dont think the body has much of an effect on handling...that is not the case with a lola style body on a pancar electric or nitro...big difference in rear grip and balance.
On an unprep surface parking lot temp track I am sure they are a blast and great fun..however on a super clean,smooth,treated surface novelty tends to wear off quickly. I think this is why the class has not really caught on at the two permanent onroad tracks in northeast.
I am sure with tinkering anything will work...the appeal of the class would be simplicity.
The pancars are pretty simple and not alot of adjustment. This would be a better start for a newbie or budget racers.
Same thing goes for the body....by running lola style body you already have max grip and steering. Much easier for a newbie/budget racer as you dont have to try to create grip thru other adjustments.
I ran gt car for a friend to break it in and attempt to improve handling...it ran the same with and without the body. I dont think the body has much of an effect on handling...that is not the case with a lola style body on a pancar electric or nitro...big difference in rear grip and balance.
On an unprep surface parking lot temp track I am sure they are a blast and great fun..however on a super clean,smooth,treated surface novelty tends to wear off quickly. I think this is why the class has not really caught on at the two permanent onroad tracks in northeast.