52LikesEuropean 2wd 1/8th pan car on-road Classic class
07-21-2011, 07:53 PM
#466
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Lon, Happy Birthday and thanks for the clairification! I see what you mean for your Racing Team!!! When you're pitting for your grandsons, you won't have to worry about 3 cars, just 2!! lol
The Pix of all the european pan cars have really go me thinking! I doubt my machining skills will allow me to make what I want but I intend to try!! I'll be interested to see what you have come up with, Joe. I'm looking for gears that can be converted to ball diffs.
On the engines being limited to 3 port or less: I agree with allowing "Vintage" engines (I think the K&B 3.5 would be consideded a three port, don't know about Rick's OPS) but also believe allowing bigger, modern, power, although some of us would see no benefit, others would, possibly upsetting one of the ideas of the class....
The Pix of all the european pan cars have really go me thinking! I doubt my machining skills will allow me to make what I want but I intend to try!! I'll be interested to see what you have come up with, Joe. I'm looking for gears that can be converted to ball diffs.
On the engines being limited to 3 port or less: I agree with allowing "Vintage" engines (I think the K&B 3.5 would be consideded a three port, don't know about Rick's OPS) but also believe allowing bigger, modern, power, although some of us would see no benefit, others would, possibly upsetting one of the ideas of the class....
07-21-2011, 09:02 PM
#467
07-21-2011, 09:04 PM
#468
07-22-2011, 12:08 AM
#469
On the engines being limited to 3 port or less: I agree with allowing "Vintage" engines (I think the K&B 3.5 would be consideded a three port, don't know about Rick's OPS) but also believe allowing bigger, modern, power, although some of us would see no benefit, others would, possibly upsetting one of the ideas of the class....
Are we discussing two classes? I know the vintage 1/12 thread discusses the difference between vintage and vintage open (or something like that). The difference is whether or not ALL equipment needs to be old stuff, or if some can be modern.
I agree with what has been said earlier: if we are going to get this off the ground, everything should be aloud. If the class is a pure vintage class it will be expensive and difficult.
THE MAIN QUESTION MAY BE THIS: IS THIS GROUP TRYING TO START VINTAGE DEMONSTRATION RACING OF OLD CARS OR IS IT TRYING TO REINVIGORATE THE DYING ONROAD COMMUNITY?
I think both of these goals are great, but first and foremost I feel strongly that the future of onroad racing is in question, and the best thing we could possibly do is to start a 1/8 2wd onroad class that is affordable, fun, accessible, competitive, AND NOT INTIMIDATING TO NEW PEOPLE AND YOUNG PEOPLE.
07-22-2011, 06:19 PM
#470
I'm not sure you'd have to limit motors as 2wd can only handle so much power. Also might get in the way of running an older K&B or OPS. I'd say let that ride for now, on less somebody starts killing everybody. Let's just play for now and if a real class is formed, then worry about rules.
07-22-2011, 06:57 PM
#471
Tech Regular
cutting edge
YOU'RE SHARP??
LOL! So did I tell you that my"Rick Davis"RC 300 (the one I sold) was allot faster then Ricks?
LOL! So did I tell you that my"Rick Davis"RC 300 (the one I sold) was allot faster then Ricks?
07-22-2011, 08:44 PM
#472
i am wondering about this issue too. it could be argued that modern engines are great because they are easily found and not expensive, rare, vintage, OR hard to work. If people are looking for a friendly entry into 1/8, i dont think old engines are good. i for one dont have the skills to tune those engines and am a bit intimidated by the idea of running vintage k&b or other stuff. Folks like Rick Davis and other experts will kill the amateurs in this department.
Are we discussing two classes? I know the vintage 1/12 thread discusses the difference between vintage and vintage open (or something like that). The difference is whether or not ALL equipment needs to be old stuff, or if some can be modern.
I agree with what has been said earlier: if we are going to get this off the ground, everything should be aloud. If the class is a pure vintage class it will be expensive and difficult.
THE MAIN QUESTION MAY BE THIS: IS THIS GROUP TRYING TO START VINTAGE DEMONSTRATION RACING OF OLD CARS OR IS IT TRYING TO REINVIGORATE THE DYING ONROAD COMMUNITY?
I think both of these goals are great, but first and foremost I feel strongly that the future of onroad racing is in question, and the best thing we could possibly do is to start a 1/8 2wd onroad class that is affordable, fun, accessible, competitive, AND NOT INTIMIDATING TO NEW PEOPLE AND YOUNG PEOPLE.
Are we discussing two classes? I know the vintage 1/12 thread discusses the difference between vintage and vintage open (or something like that). The difference is whether or not ALL equipment needs to be old stuff, or if some can be modern.
I agree with what has been said earlier: if we are going to get this off the ground, everything should be aloud. If the class is a pure vintage class it will be expensive and difficult.
THE MAIN QUESTION MAY BE THIS: IS THIS GROUP TRYING TO START VINTAGE DEMONSTRATION RACING OF OLD CARS OR IS IT TRYING TO REINVIGORATE THE DYING ONROAD COMMUNITY?
I think both of these goals are great, but first and foremost I feel strongly that the future of onroad racing is in question, and the best thing we could possibly do is to start a 1/8 2wd onroad class that is affordable, fun, accessible, competitive, AND NOT INTIMIDATING TO NEW PEOPLE AND YOUNG PEOPLE.
07-22-2011, 10:22 PM
#473
Restomod seems right. The first thing I need in the mod department is a quick release tire adapter. This seems like the number one part that would help get my rc 300 on the track. As for traditional tire glueing, I hope one of the o.g.'s will give a demo. And on that note, where can you buy unmounted foam?
07-23-2011, 01:56 AM
#474
Tech Regular
Indain behind every rock!
I think this is getting silly! The fact of the matter is, the old pan cars have already done their part to move 1/8th on road racing to where it is today. Unless someone does a remake of one of them, their job is done. A few custom built up dated cars aren't going to make a big difference. These are treasures that can be enjoyed still if there is a 2wd place to run them.
The modern pan has to be the back bone of any new 2wd effort. There are two that I know of available in the USA. There are more in Europe, we need them over here.
Today in Toledo, or any where close by, there is no place to run these cars. The GT guys were up to the challenge I threw out when I asked if I could run a pan car with them. It was a plane non-turbo 3 port motor, P8C Motonica with a GT body. That car looked good with the bigger GT and is where you should look for now. Ricks RC 300 put on a great show, I loved it!, but running the sportscar body did not look right racing GT cars. I suggest that at this time any pan car should run a GT body to play with the other GTs.
I know the old GT bodies are hard to find and the Motonica isn't cheap, but to get things going, you have to look good on the track to create the interest. When we have enough pans to carry their own program, we build on that and do what ever we went. For now, prepare to race GTs.
The modern pan has to be the back bone of any new 2wd effort. There are two that I know of available in the USA. There are more in Europe, we need them over here.
Today in Toledo, or any where close by, there is no place to run these cars. The GT guys were up to the challenge I threw out when I asked if I could run a pan car with them. It was a plane non-turbo 3 port motor, P8C Motonica with a GT body. That car looked good with the bigger GT and is where you should look for now. Ricks RC 300 put on a great show, I loved it!, but running the sportscar body did not look right racing GT cars. I suggest that at this time any pan car should run a GT body to play with the other GTs.
I know the old GT bodies are hard to find and the Motonica isn't cheap, but to get things going, you have to look good on the track to create the interest. When we have enough pans to carry their own program, we build on that and do what ever we went. For now, prepare to race GTs.
07-23-2011, 02:02 AM
#475
Tech Regular
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For what it cost to set a top notch 4wd car on the track for the first time, might be the same as running a top notch pan car a full season.
07-23-2011, 04:04 AM
#476
If you read my earlier post, I fully agree that modern 2wd is the simplest best approach to getting this going, and ultimately finding a logical way to reinvigorate onroad racing in the US. At the same time I have old cars and would like to drive them.
Not sure I have a clear opinion about body selection. In Europe they are using canam for 2wd. Is the idea that if we use gt bodies, the infirno glass will welcome the pan class in official races?
Not sure I have a clear opinion about body selection. In Europe they are using canam for 2wd. Is the idea that if we use gt bodies, the infirno glass will welcome the pan class in official races?
07-23-2011, 03:47 PM
#477
Restomod seems right. The first thing I need in the mod department is a quick release tire adapter. This seems like the number one part that would help get my rc 300 on the track. As for traditional tire glueing, I hope one of the o.g.'s will give a demo. And on that note, where can you buy unmounted foam?
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07-23-2011, 05:02 PM
#478
Restomod seems right. The first thing I need in the mod department is a quick release tire adapter. This seems like the number one part that would help get my rc 300 on the track. As for traditional tire glueing, I hope one of the o.g.'s will give a demo. And on that note, where can you buy unmounted foam?
07-23-2011, 05:05 PM
#479
I think this is getting silly! The fact of the matter is, the old pan cars have already done their part to move 1/8th on road racing to where it is today. Unless someone does a remake of one of them, their job is done. A few custom built up dated cars aren't going to make a big difference. These are treasures that can be enjoyed still if there is a 2wd place to run them.
The modern pan has to be the back bone of any new 2wd effort. There are two that I know of available in the USA. There are more in Europe, we need them over here.
Today in Toledo, or any where close by, there is no place to run these cars. The GT guys were up to the challenge I threw out when I asked if I could run a pan car with them. It was a plane non-turbo 3 port motor, P8C Motonica with a GT body. That car looked good with the bigger GT and is where you should look for now. Ricks RC 300 put on a great show, I loved it!, but running the sportscar body did not look right racing GT cars. I suggest that at this time any pan car should run a GT body to play with the other GTs.
I know the old GT bodies are hard to find and the Motonica isn't cheap, but to get things going, you have to look good on the track to create the interest. When we have enough pans to carry their own program, we build on that and do what ever we went. For now, prepare to race GTs.
The modern pan has to be the back bone of any new 2wd effort. There are two that I know of available in the USA. There are more in Europe, we need them over here.
Today in Toledo, or any where close by, there is no place to run these cars. The GT guys were up to the challenge I threw out when I asked if I could run a pan car with them. It was a plane non-turbo 3 port motor, P8C Motonica with a GT body. That car looked good with the bigger GT and is where you should look for now. Ricks RC 300 put on a great show, I loved it!, but running the sportscar body did not look right racing GT cars. I suggest that at this time any pan car should run a GT body to play with the other GTs.
I know the old GT bodies are hard to find and the Motonica isn't cheap, but to get things going, you have to look good on the track to create the interest. When we have enough pans to carry their own program, we build on that and do what ever we went. For now, prepare to race GTs.
07-23-2011, 05:07 PM
#480
Lon, Happy Birthday and thanks for the clairification! I see what you mean for your Racing Team!!! When you're pitting for your grandsons, you won't have to worry about 3 cars, just 2!! lol
The Pix of all the european pan cars have really go me thinking! I doubt my machining skills will allow me to make what I want but I intend to try!! I'll be interested to see what you have come up with, Joe. I'm looking for gears that can be converted to ball diffs.
On the engines being limited to 3 port or less: I agree with allowing "Vintage" engines (I think the K&B 3.5 would be consideded a three port, don't know about Rick's OPS) but also believe allowing bigger, modern, power, although some of us would see no benefit, others would, possibly upsetting one of the ideas of the class....
The Pix of all the european pan cars have really go me thinking! I doubt my machining skills will allow me to make what I want but I intend to try!! I'll be interested to see what you have come up with, Joe. I'm looking for gears that can be converted to ball diffs.
On the engines being limited to 3 port or less: I agree with allowing "Vintage" engines (I think the K&B 3.5 would be consideded a three port, don't know about Rick's OPS) but also believe allowing bigger, modern, power, although some of us would see no benefit, others would, possibly upsetting one of the ideas of the class....