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Old 11-28-2010, 11:12 AM   #3241
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Dude I was refering to NitroDude's post about tracks being different. Read my last post. If I was running at your track then maybe I would need a setup like yours. I'd like to see you try your setup at Kissimmee RC Raceway though. 37's were the prefered rear tire some even ran 35's. NT1's, Capricorns, Kyosho, it didn't matter what car soft rear tires were needed. When was the last time you ran 42s on the front and 37s on the rear, but that's what some people did to balance the traction.
I didn't run 42s in the front only in the rear.

Yes I know all tracks aren't the same and some tracks like yours are very low on traction which is why the DLS was developed to help those situations. My point again is if your setup is so extreme in the rear with the DLS on, how extreme was it when you didn't have the DLS? It seemed from your setup that the DLS didn't affect your traction situation by much. This in contrast to others who have used the DLS finding that it made so much rear traction that it affected their setups significantly.
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Old 11-28-2010, 03:38 PM   #3242
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what would be the different

Between using 1st gear 61 vs 59 , I know that 61 would take off faster but when would a 59 be a good idea? and does it save any fuel?
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Old 11-28-2010, 03:53 PM   #3243
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what would be the different

Between using 1st gear 61 vs 59 , I know that 61 would take off faster but when would a 59 be a good idea? and does it save any fuel?
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61T would give you better acceleration, suited better on shorter tracks. 59T theory is it would save on fuel because the engine does not rev as hard.

I set my ratios with the pinions, and use different spurs for perfect mesh....
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The whole DLS debate...

I am not yet 100% convinced, and haven't spent $130 to get one. My rear end is just as planted as any of the other cars I have owned. I run 37 rears 95% of the time, I might go to 40s on longer finals, or 35s on low traction tracks. Generally I run 50K or higher rear diff, 2.5mm sway bar, 3deg toe etc etc. Tire wear isn't an issue for me, i cut them down to 58/60mm on 30 min finals at our home track.

As you can see, my setup doesn't indicate a lack of rear grip to justify the DLS.

At the moment, I would still rather pour the $130 on more sets of tires or a fresh engine which would give me instant guaranteed speed.
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Old 11-28-2010, 04:28 PM   #3245
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The whole DLS debate...

I am not yet 100% convinced, and haven't spent $130 to get one. My rear end is just as planted as any of the other cars I have owned. I run 37 rears 95% of the time, I might go to 40s on longer finals, or 35s on low traction tracks. Generally I run 50K or higher rear diff, 2.5mm sway bar, 3deg toe etc etc. Tire wear isn't an issue for me, i cut them down to 58/60mm on 30 min finals at our home track.

As you can see, my setup doesn't indicate a lack of rear grip to justify the DLS.

At the moment, I would still rather pour the $130 on more sets of tires or a fresh engine which would give me instant guaranteed speed.
I went with the dls system and i was able to dirve into and out of the corners harder which drop my lap times down
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Old 11-28-2010, 05:18 PM   #3246
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what would be the different

Between using 1st gear 61 vs 59 , I know that 61 would take off faster but when would a 59 be a good idea? and does it save any fuel?
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If your engine makes a ton of torque in the lower portion of the RPM(picco's) you may want to consider running the 59. Most Novarossi make peak horsepower later in the rpm range. It all depends on what type of engine you have and what gearing it likes.


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Old 11-28-2010, 07:11 PM   #3247
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I didn't run 42s in the front only in the rear.

Yes I know all tracks aren't the same and some tracks like yours are very low on traction which is why the DLS was developed to help those situations. My point again is if your setup is so extreme in the rear with the DLS on, how extreme was it when you didn't have the DLS? It seemed from your setup that the DLS didn't affect your traction situation by much. This in contrast to others who have used the DLS finding that it made so much rear traction that it affected their setups significantly.
This is my final post on this because you don't seem to get it. THE TRACTION WAS WEIRD. TRACK WAS BUMPY and in the middle of the corner all the cars including 8th scales were breaking loose. IT WAS THE TRACK!!! what part of that do you not understand. This was not my home track. At my home track I can run 45s rears with DLS and the car is still good. I'll be attending the Winter Nats next yr and I've never had traction problems there with the standard rear end so I expect a push condition with the DLS and will TUNE my car according to the track conditions.
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Old 11-28-2010, 07:13 PM   #3248
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I am looking for Spring rate for the 966 anyone? thank you
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Old 11-28-2010, 07:18 PM   #3249
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Robert, I just found it!
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Old 11-28-2010, 09:21 PM   #3250
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The whole DLS debate...

I am not yet 100% convinced, and haven't spent $130 to get one. My rear end is just as planted as any of the other cars I have owned. I run 37 rears 95% of the time, I might go to 40s on longer finals, or 35s on low traction tracks. Generally I run 50K or higher rear diff, 2.5mm sway bar, 3deg toe etc etc. Tire wear isn't an issue for me, i cut them down to 58/60mm on 30 min finals at our home track.

As you can see, my setup doesn't indicate a lack of rear grip to justify the DLS.

At the moment, I would still rather pour the $130 on more sets of tires or a fresh engine which would give me instant guaranteed speed.
untill you run it you will not know. i have run it, Ric has run it. Rics response was same as mine, it really settles the car, makes it smoother, and will it relate to quicker times ? i ran it once, 2 day event, car was very settled, smooth, and did it relate to better times.... YES. car was more consistant, proof = my best ever 0.10 cons, and new lap record, and new 5 min record, first ever 19 lapper in tourer, and finally i got that 15 in as official from 2 years ago.

so unless you bite the bullet and try it, yu cant be convinced it wont help. thats the way i look at it since everyone else is saying the same thing, just different setups for diff conditions.
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Old 11-28-2010, 11:20 PM   #3251
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hey Patto, novarossi doesnt believe in hop ups..just new cars.
did you know he buys a new 733 after every 3rd club day?
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Old 11-29-2010, 12:04 AM   #3252
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hey Patto, novarossi doesnt believe in hop ups..just new cars.
did you know he buys a new 733 after every 3rd club day?
hey John, i guees the extra speed from the fresh motor will always help more. well the sudden stop is just that bit harder
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Old 12-02-2010, 04:39 AM   #3254
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Hmrf, I want to build me an new 733 this winter. Still not any hope that Serpent will soon come out with an new 2011 version of 733 ??
Or a kit including the latest upgrades ?

Rumors anyone ??
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Your safe the car isn't changing. Adding the DLS to the kit would just raise the price. It's staying in it's current form rite now. These options aren't needed just tuning options. Still a goo package for 2011 in it current form
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