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Old 04-07-2009, 08:39 AM   #1
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Questions?? New Orion Alpha series engines !!!

Anyone tried or do now someone who has tried the new alpha series engine from Orion ?? im speially interested in the track .21 ABI one with ceramik bearings and copper balanced, ORI80663 ???
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Adrien told me at the nuremberg toy fair that the .21 will be released at the mid of the year.

I drove a pre-release .12 engine and they are very good. More power than the old one just everywhere
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Adrien told me at the nuremberg toy fair that the .21 will be released at the mid of the year.

I drove a pre-release .12 engine and they are very good. More power than the old one just everywhere

AddictedToRacin so it is better than the 2007 and 2008 crf?
how many min can you make with it?pipe?
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Old 04-07-2009, 02:46 PM   #4
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It's definately better than the '08. I have a Murnan '07 and I think this one could hold up.
The '09 isn't fully broken in, so I can't tell how much runtime it will make.
Pipe is a #2656 and it's a beast.
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It's definately better than the '08. I have a Murnan '07 and I think this one could hold up.
The '09 isn't fully broken in, so I can't tell how much runtime it will make.
Pipe is a #2656 and it's a beast.

can you post some internal fotos?we must see it!
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Don't know if I'm allowed to.
Only thing to say, the finish is very good!
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can you post some internal fotos?we must see it!
No internal pics at the moment...but maybe it helps when I tell you that it is based on the Sirio XXX. Internals are Orion-labeled and as said befor...looking very good. Silicon insert inside the crank, turbo scoop, ported liner, ceramic rear bearing...everything you like to see at an state-of-the-art engine.
The carb has those nice grooves around the needles to make it easyer to count the "slots" you adjusted the engine.
The 2656 pipe is a Sirio one too...extremely close to the Capricorn 2648 (remember that Adrien is a Capricor driver too :-) )...but has only three fixing points instead of four.
Mainfold has a bit smaller diameter (compared to the Carpricorn one) but fits the exhaust of the engine very well...

So far it's looking very promising...

Runtime realy depends on track, gears, clutch...etc.

More news and at least outside pictures (maybe also of the .21) after the weekend...

There should be inside pictures of the .12 crank and .12 liner from the nuremberg toy fair somewhere online...they were shown there and this is the way they look at the moment.


Regards...MARTIN
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No internal pics at the moment...but maybe it helps when I tell you that it is based on the Sirio XXX. Internals are Orion-labeled and as said befor...looking very good. Silicon insert inside the crank, turbo scoop, ported liner, ceramic rear bearing...everything you like to see at an state-of-the-art engine.
The carb has those nice grooves around the needles to make it easyer to count the "slots" you adjusted the engine.
The 2656 pipe is a Sirio one too...extremely close to the Capricorn 2648 (remember that Adrien is a Capricor driver too :-) )...but has only three fixing points instead of four.
Mainfold has a bit smaller diameter (compared to the Carpricorn one) but fits the exhaust of the engine very well...

So far it's looking very promising...



Runtime realy depends on track, gears, clutch...etc.

More news and at least outside pictures (maybe also of the .21) after the weekend...

There should be inside pictures of the .12 crank and .12 liner from the nuremberg toy fair somewhere online...they were shown there and this is the way they look at the moment.


Regards...MARTIN

yeah i know that it is based on xxx and etc...we are waiting the fhotos from the 12 and 21 Maddin21.
1 question,does they have hardcoated crank?i have heard that tha xxx has some problems in this area.
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does they have hardcoated crank?i have heard that tha xxx has some problems in this area
The .12 Alpha crank has no coating...at least no coating you can see.
But wear at the crank pin has never been a problem at the Sirios and XenonR I used in the past.

I run in the .12 at Thursday...just to free it up for the upcoming EC-B this month. It had massiv pinch during the first few tanks...
I run about 1.25 litres that day and liked the performance.
Maybe it has a bit less bottom end power compared to the 2008 Picco/CRF...that was definately "to strong" at low RPM...BUT the Alphas now have the power from bottom to the highest revs.
I did not changed the gearing compared to my 2008...and I liked the Alpha's balance between torque and max power much more then I did with the older engines. No more worries at the straight and much better handling out of the corners...

The hardware:

- Kyosho RRR Evo 1.5 WC Team :-)
- Orion Alpha .12
- Capricorn/Sirio #7 plug
- Capricorn WCE clutch (dist. .4 / preload .5)
- 16/21 - 61/56
- Orion CRF Fuel (16%)
- Sirio EFRA2611 pipe (Vers. 2008 - legal)
- Novarossi INS Box

I used the 2611 for run in (had a 15min used one in my pit box). The 2648 and 2656 change the performance slightly towards the better side as we know from past tests...
So far is's looking very good...

I'm sorry...no news about the .21 .
I tested the 2008 vs 2009 Picco/CRF and pipes today...nearly the same huge step forward here. A little less torque, much better midrange, better top end.
But I've heard about some .21 being not that far away... ;-)

Regards...MADDIN
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The .12 Alpha crank has no coating...at least no coating you can see.
But wear at the crank pin has never been a problem at the Sirios and XenonR I used in the past.

I run in the .12 at Thursday...just to free it up for the upcoming EC-B this month. It had massiv pinch during the first few tanks...
I run about 1.25 litres that day and liked the performance.
Maybe it has a bit less bottom end power compared to the 2008 Picco/CRF...that was definately "to strong" at low RPM...BUT the Alphas now have the power from bottom to the highest revs.
I did not changed the gearing compared to my 2008...and I liked the Alpha's balance between torque and max power much more then I did with the older engines. No more worries at the straight and much better handling out of the corners...

The hardware:

- Kyosho RRR Evo 1.5 WC Team :-)
- Orion Alpha .12
- Capricorn/Sirio #7 plug
- Capricorn WCE clutch (dist. .4 / preload .5)
- 16/21 - 61/56
- Orion CRF Fuel (16%)
- Sirio EFRA2611 pipe (Vers. 2008 - legal)
- Novarossi INS Box

I used the 2611 for run in (had a 15min used one in my pit box). The 2648 and 2656 change the performance slightly towards the better side as we know from past tests...
So far is's looking very good...

I'm sorry...no news about the .21 .
I tested the 2008 vs 2009 Picco/CRF and pipes today...nearly the same huge step forward here. A little less torque, much better midrange, better top end.
But I've heard about some .21 being not that far away... ;-)

Regards...MADDIN
nice MADDIN!Nice!
keep us informed for these motors!
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I am having a hell of a time finding the EFRA2656 pipe for the .12 anywhere and when i do find one it's out of stock..Any one know where to find on preferably in the states.
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I am having a hell of a time finding the EFRA2656 pipe for the .12 anywhere and when i do find one it's out of stock..Any one know where to find on preferably in the states.
I was told to use the Sirio pipe until they get the Orion pipes.
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has anyone compared the alpha .12 to the Kyosho CRF X312T engine.

the X312T is not bad at all.

is the alpha faster than the X312t?

is the alpha as reliable as the X312T?

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X312 is very nice, good motor to start with. I've played recently with RB V12 "rody" and it's alot faster.. I was really surprised. Kicks ass.

Next, I'm trying this Orion CRF 12, have it installed and fired up, but no track time yet - soon I hope it'll be as fast the RB, let's see..
Love Orion CRF's on my offrodas and GT

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I'm sorry...no news about the .21 .
I tested the 2008 vs 2009 Picco/CRF and pipes today...nearly the same huge step forward here. A little less torque, much better midrange, better top end.
But I've heard about some .21 being not that far away... ;-)
Just be patient, they will be there soon...
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