MTX-3 Negative Differential
12-06-2003, 12:15 AM
#16
in a long main yes you're right.
12-06-2003, 01:01 AM
#17
Re: Re: 16/19 conversion
Originally posted by InitialD
You forgot to include the most important information... You need to use a 4 mm split. Front tires need to be 4 mm smaller than rear tires.
You forgot to include the most important information... You need to use a 4 mm split. Front tires need to be 4 mm smaller than rear tires.
if the idea of the 16/19 conversion is to eliminate the rear over drive and make the front and rear to spin at the same speed, why do you need to run a smaller tire?? 
12-06-2003, 01:12 AM
#18
Re: 16/19 conversion
Originally posted by evlhdlts
with the car being stock and assuming you're running foam tires, you'll notice that the rear tires wear so much faster than the front tires than normal. by changing the pulleys of the side belt to 19t on the front and 16t in the rear you'll wear the tires evenly. and the car handles great too.
you have to buy the pulley set for mtx-3 to do the conversion and also the 16/19 conversion side belt because once you change the pulleys to 16/19, the stock belt won't fit anymore.
with the car being stock and assuming you're running foam tires, you'll notice that the rear tires wear so much faster than the front tires than normal. by changing the pulleys of the side belt to 19t on the front and 16t in the rear you'll wear the tires evenly. and the car handles great too.
you have to buy the pulley set for mtx-3 to do the conversion and also the 16/19 conversion side belt because once you change the pulleys to 16/19, the stock belt won't fit anymore.
12-06-2003, 02:28 AM
#19
Re: Re: Re: 16/19 conversion
Originally posted by over gear
I'm confused.... if the idea of the 16/19 conversion is to eliminate the rear over drive and make the front and rear to spin at the same speed, why do you need to run a smaller tire??
I'm confused....
if the idea of the 16/19 conversion is to eliminate the rear over drive and make the front and rear to spin at the same speed, why do you need to run a smaller tire??
By default, using 16/19 conversion makes the front wheels rotate at a higher rate than the rear. Hence if you use same front and rear tires, you get front overdrive i.e. front pulling the rear. Front tire rollout is bigger than rear. Sometimes this is desireable on certain tracks but sometimes not.
Therefore to make the front tire rollout the same as the rear tire rollout (i.e. 1:1 overdrive), the front tire needs to be smaller.
12-06-2003, 02:42 AM
#20
Re: Re: 16/19 conversion
Originally posted by tIANcI
Aaaaaah ... thats all to it. Well, my LHS sells foams in sets of 3s. Now with even wear then I will have to ask him to sell in sets of even numbers! Hahahahaaa ... I think I can live with the current pulleys.
Aaaaaah ... thats all to it. Well, my LHS sells foams in sets of 3s. Now with even wear then I will have to ask him to sell in sets of even numbers! Hahahahaaa ... I think I can live with the current pulleys.
Smaller front tires gives you better steering because smaller front tires let the front part sit lower and the car transitions better left to right. Smaller front tires also eliminate traction roll.
12-06-2003, 04:43 AM
#21
Re: Re: Re: 16/19 conversion
Originally posted by InitialD
The 16/19 pulley conversion does not just give you equal front and rear wear. Firstly, it gives you the choice of running big tires in the rear to attain sufficient tire rollout to achieve a certain top speed while being able to run smaller tires in front.
Smaller front tires gives you better steering because smaller front tires let the front part sit lower and the car transitions better left to right. Smaller front tires also eliminate traction roll.
The 16/19 pulley conversion does not just give you equal front and rear wear. Firstly, it gives you the choice of running big tires in the rear to attain sufficient tire rollout to achieve a certain top speed while being able to run smaller tires in front.
Smaller front tires gives you better steering because smaller front tires let the front part sit lower and the car transitions better left to right. Smaller front tires also eliminate traction roll.
12-06-2003, 05:35 AM
#22
Tech Fanatic
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So the rear wearing down is fixed by running the 16/19 setup but in turn you still lose foam due to having to run the front 4mm smaller. I understand the performance difference but I doubt its a good selling point to some people who would rather not purchase a tire truer, or lose foam before the car hits the ground.
12-06-2003, 05:43 AM
#23
erm... can anyone pls tell me what exactly does a negative diff do and how does it work. also what are the advantages and disadvantages of using one? 
12-06-2003, 05:43 AM
#24
Originally posted by kreidel
So the rear wearing down is fixed by running the 16/19 setup but in turn you still lose foam due to having to run the front 4mm smaller. I understand the performance difference but I doubt its a good selling point to some people who would rather not purchase a tire truer, or lose foam before the car hits the ground.
So the rear wearing down is fixed by running the 16/19 setup but in turn you still lose foam due to having to run the front 4mm smaller. I understand the performance difference but I doubt its a good selling point to some people who would rather not purchase a tire truer, or lose foam before the car hits the ground.
12-06-2003, 07:38 AM
#25
Originally posted by tIANcI
You win some you loose some ... for me its a hobby, just have fun.
You win some you loose some ... for me its a hobby, just have fun.
12-06-2003, 08:32 AM
#26
Originally posted by InitialD
Trust me, a lot will agree that you'll have more fun when you discover things like this that will improve driving and handling of the car.
Trust me, a lot will agree that you'll have more fun when you discover things like this that will improve driving and handling of the car.
12-06-2003, 09:27 AM
#27
Originally posted by tIANcI
What fun are we talking about when you have to true the tires to make it work, also none of the Mugen drivers are really using it at all whilst they kick ass ...
What fun are we talking about when you have to true the tires to make it work, also none of the Mugen drivers are really using it at all whilst they kick ass ...
12-06-2003, 11:24 AM
#28
Tech Regular
Originally posted by kino2
erm... can anyone pls tell me what exactly does a negative diff do and how does it work. also what are the advantages and disadvantages of using one?
erm... can anyone pls tell me what exactly does a negative diff do and how does it work. also what are the advantages and disadvantages of using one?
12-06-2003, 11:42 AM
#29
Tech Addict
Originally posted by tIANcI
What fun are we talking about when you have to true the tires to make it work, also none of the Mugen drivers are really using it at all whilst they kick ass ...
What fun are we talking about when you have to true the tires to make it work, also none of the Mugen drivers are really using it at all whilst they kick ass ...
12-06-2003, 12:10 PM
#30
true that