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Old 03-17-2004, 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by SupermaxxRich
Just gained a little more finger strength and twisted it with my finger Is this what you guys are doing?
I previously used pliers before I got the new Serpent tool 1462.
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Old 03-17-2004, 11:02 PM
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D,

Want to update the FAQ tonight - does the last set of clutch mod pictures superceed the ones which are currently in the FAQ?`

What's the general opinion about which shock oil to use? Everyone using serpent?

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Old 03-17-2004, 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by SupermaxxRich
How do you adjust that spring nut after the car is all together??
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Note that you do not have to take off the clutch bell to be able to access the Centax pre-adjusting nut. You can adjust it externally by inserting a 1.5 mm allen into one of the 2 holes on the clutch bell and catching one of the 2 grooves on the pre-adjusting nut.

Once that is done and the pre-adjusting nut held firmly externally by the 1.5 mm allen, turn the flywheel CLOCKWISE to loosen the pre-adjusting nut to get earlier engagement and ANTICLOCKWISE on the flywheel to tighten the pre-adjusting nut to get a later clutch engagement. You want to turn the flywheel CLOCKWISE.
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Old 03-17-2004, 11:07 PM
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One more thing, on step 8.6 is says to shim until you get your 0.7mm number. Then on step 8.7 it says to shim behind the bearings to get minumal play??? So after I get my 0.7mm from adding a shim in front of the thrust bearing. I then add shims behind the clutchbell bearings till I get minumal play? If this is correct, how much is minumal play? 0.1mm total end play? Thanks.
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Originally posted by markp27
Want to update the FAQ tonight - does the last set of clutch mod pictures superceed the ones which are currently in the FAQ?`
I think you can. It is supposedly to be better for clutch engagement and disengagement.

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What's the general opinion about which shock oil to use? Everyone using serpent?
The standard should be good on the 710. You may want to get 35wt as well.

I used to find that the Serpent's 30wt shock oil a little too thick in the beginning. Used to use Trinity shock oil of about 40wt and 50wt (which is about lower than Serpent 30wt) but since the 710, I've been using Serpent shock oil back again. Since they came out with 5 hole shock option, I've been using the 30wt oil and with 5 holes open instead.
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Old 03-17-2004, 11:13 PM
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Thanks alot "D" for letting me know about the clutch tool. I'm going to try the clutch with the stock setup and if I'm not happy with that then I'm going to try your mod. What exactly do you mean by "more punch" with the clutch mod? IS it a big difference from stock? Thanks, I really appreciate you sorting out my lack of understanding.
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Old 03-17-2004, 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by SupermaxxRich
One more thing, on step 8.6 is says to shim until you get your 0.7mm number. Then on step 8.7 it says to shim behind the bearings to get minumal play??? So after I get my 0.7mm from adding a shim in front of the thrust bearing. I then add shims behind the clutchbell bearings till I get minumal play?
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If this is correct, how much is minumal play? 0.1mm total end play? Thanks.
Yes. Approx thereabouts.
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Old 03-17-2004, 11:16 PM
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Thanks "D"! So right now my number is at 0.73mm Is it better to be at 0.73mm or 0.63mm? Just want to know if it is better to be a little bigger with the number when shimming or a little tighter?
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Originally posted by SupermaxxRich
Thanks alot "D" for letting me know about the clutch tool.
Perhaps just a suggestion is to visit mytsn more often. You have product updates and news there on the 710 which would be useful.

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What exactly do you mean by "more punch" with the clutch mod?
More responsive?

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IS it a big difference from stock?
Some people have experienced big difference is the pick up and acceleration.
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Originally posted by markp27
D,

Want to update the FAQ tonight - does the last set of clutch mod pictures superceed the ones which are currently in the FAQ?`

What's the general opinion about which shock oil to use? Everyone using serpent?

Cheers, Mark.

Hey mark and Dee... I have put together a VERY comprehensive faq that I could email you in pdf or qord format but I will have to zip the .doc file... the pdf is about 2Mb but maybe you guys can play with it and get it smaller... PM me if you like...
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Old 03-17-2004, 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by SupermaxxRich
how do you guys tighten the coupler that goes over the spring?? It has two slots in it opposite from each other? I have no clue how to tighten that turd? Please Help, thanks.
You can adjust that coupler without taking the clutchbell off, just stick a 2mm hex in one of the 3 little holes through the bell into one of the slots in the coupler. Than rotate the flywheel CW or ACW until you get it right
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man this thread goes fast!!! lol In the time I replied one post initial D answered evrething!!!
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Old 03-17-2004, 11:32 PM
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Thanks anywase. I set my thrust spacing to 0.57mm. I'll try that with stock clutchs and play around with the sring and see how that works out? I'll let you guys now what I find.
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Old 03-17-2004, 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by InitialD
How much is your clutchbell to clutch shoe spacing? Are you at 0.7 mm as per the manual? Loosen the pre-tension spring nut until you get decent engagement.

If you want to get more punch out of the clutch, do the flyweight mod. You may want to use 0.4 mm or 0.5 mm as the clutchbell to clutch shoe spacing.
I think it is 0.7mm my caliper is not that great, I will get a digital tomorrow, but it is less than 1mm and on the pre tension spring I have 1mm. Should I loosen it? If so how much more or less
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Old 03-17-2004, 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by SupermaxxRich
Thanks "D"! So right now my number is at 0.73mm Is it better to be at 0.73mm or 0.63mm? Just want to know if it is better to be a little bigger with the number when shimming or a little tighter?
Larger spacing gives harder and more agressive punch. Smaller spacing will give a more smooth clutch engagement. Depending on tracks and amount of traction.
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