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Old 01-16-2004, 09:22 PM   #3046
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look what I just found
http://www.harcohobbies.com/2003_win...otos/index.htm
It's almost like you can smell the nitro in the pics...
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Old 01-16-2004, 10:12 PM   #3047
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As far as the centax clutch goes, what do I have to watch out on when istalling the clutch? The manual looks easy but is there more to it?
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not at all just follow directions..
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Old 01-16-2004, 10:46 PM   #3049
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unless in a really tight and slow hairpin.
This unless area is what Im trying to solve...
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Old 01-16-2004, 11:05 PM   #3050
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ackerman simple expla
http://www.longacreracing.com/articles/art.asp?ARTID=11

bump steer simple expla
http://www.longacreracing.com/articles/art.asp?ARTID=13

here is a simple article on ackerman and rc cars..
http://www.pbracing.com/handling/ack...principle.html

you can not change ackerman by changing the pivot point of the steering arm( up and down), you can create a bump steer effect because you took the arm out of the location were it was in sync with the movement of the suspension this is just exactly what you do when you move the front arm up and down on the rear suspension, you create a toe change due to suspension movement up and down,
same principles apply here.. there may be a posative effect but you are not changing the ackerman angles..
Although we seems like have a different perception.. thank you for giving this link. This is why I like this thread.
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Old 01-16-2004, 11:20 PM   #3051
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This unless area is what Im trying to solve...
Drag brake.... or a looser rear diff, will allow the car to turn quicker..

"Although we seems like have a different perception."
just stating the facts you can percieve them as you like.. motor and chassis theory would be something I am very very well versed in.. when you build a suspension you spend a lot of money making the ackerman correct with as little if any bump steer.. and that gets really hard when you are talking about offroad vehicles that have huge suspension movement.. ie snowmobiles, 4 wheelers, trucks.. stuff like that.. but the onroad race car though it does not exagerate the movement as much it is almost more important because of the percision it needs to have especially if it can approach speeds in the 200 mph hour range.. nascar, indy, F1 .. similar to the effect of a touring car at 50 mph... for some reason a bump steer may work for someones driving style but more than likly no bump will run better, the usuall reason most fast drivers run with toe out in front is it makes the car turn quicker in it gives sort of a forced akerman, the other fix would be to redo the front and have adjustable akerman, this woul not be hard as serpent could do it with a different servo saver, as associated does on most of there vehicles.. I would venture to guess the car is pretty spot on in that department and you will always get a wide variety of pref on how to set it up though... as I usually can not drive burches setup too much bite and I traction roll the car until it is in a lot of pieces.. but I can go almost as fast with a lowerf less bite flatter setup.. just the way it works..
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Old 01-16-2004, 11:23 PM   #3052
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it is nice to get everyones opinion on this forum though there are a lot of good ideas and great discussion that i bielieve lead to more people having more fun by learning from others mistakes and good fortunes..
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Old 01-16-2004, 11:40 PM   #3053
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it is nice to get everyones opinion on this forum though there are a lot of good ideas and great discussion that i bielieve lead to more people having more fun by learning from others mistakes and good fortunes..
Its my pleasure to hear your straight forward point.
Infact, I had to open my dictionary to clearly understand what you say (My english is very bad )

With looser diff, I lost too much time for outcornering.
Will try the drag brake... I know it wasnt easy.

As for the optional ackerman, I will wait for the snake to do that.
Better or worst I dont know exactly but at least we have an alternative.
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I learned the drag brake trick the hard way.. waited and waited and finally watching burch and cyrul and those guys tunning in ther brakes and making the corners i just could not get the car to do .. I understood.. you want to tune it on the track, i use the trim on my throttle to adjust the drag brake.. most radios will not have any effect on end point so you can just trim to brake and fine tune it while you drive and you want to have the tires warm as the car will handle different after 5 or 6 laps from cold.... but tune the drag brake in so you can drive the majority of the track without having to reach for the brake.. and adjust for the extremes later, areas were you need not brake or area were you need a touch more, you will find you can tune your lines in better and become more consistent with your corner entry and exit and with that you build confidence and go faster.. end result the fun factor goes way up...
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As far as the centax clutch goes, what do I have to watch out on when istalling the clutch? The manual looks easy but is there more to it?
cyba, follow the instructions as far as putting the thing together. Pay close attention to the meansurements you need to make to ensure the gaps are right. This is easier than it looks and is well worth your time.

Once done, ensure that the pinion/bell spins freely. Push the bell towards the engine ... the bell should still spin freely and not rubbing on the clutch.

Start with this set-up and after running in your engine, drive on the track as you would when you race. Do not baby the car.

Now listen to the engine at the point when the car moves. Your engine should not scream too much in first gear. We have found here that with the stock set-up the engine screams. Most people loosen the clutch nut down to 0.5 or 0.4 mm.

Good luck.
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Old 01-17-2004, 01:03 AM   #3056
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I need help on one more thing and I need to show you because I cant discribe it right, but I dont know how to post pics of my car, can someone help
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This unless area is what Im trying to solve...
Still follow the same procedure. Feed the steering in gently but continuing do to so until full lock has been added. This was the car doesnt just get the full lock and keep goin forwards before finally biting. The car can only turn in when the speed/grip ratio are right. Until this point the front wheels will just slip and the car will continue to propel forwards. By easing the stick in you create a constant where the car will continue to turn evenly without slipping until it gets to full lock.

When you use this method you will soon be able to take even tight hairpins with slowing the car on the brakes. I havent used brakes in a long time during races (unless for emergencies). I even proved this to guys at my track when they ran my car for a few laps. First question I got was were are the brakes (dialled out completely).
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the list
4wd 1/10 outlaw
allen denzine
ben hutchings
chase nemeth
chris berry
chris foster
collin ashley
douglas day
frank calandra
frank vega
jared scott
jeff epperson
jim rice
john quackonbush
juan prohias
julian hope
kevin hutchinson
mark unger
michael nemeth
mike becker
richard fine
rick bedasse
terry murphy
tommie lee

.12 sedan 1/10
alfonso serrat
andreas popp
andrew mowery
andrew ray
brandon bischoff
brandon mcnally
campbell wade
charles bone
charlie cain
chay blount
chris foster
chris fowler
chuck carter
dana drinks
danny reddish
eddie colon
eric jones
francis lee
frank connolly
frank sosebee
fredrik molzer
gerhard kandelhart
herber de ruijter
jared scott
jarrod pilone
joe king
john holmes
john wong
jorge ruiz
josh cyrul
kazuya yuruki
keisuke fukuda
kenji osaka
kevin hutchinson
kevin mcgill
kevin neumann
larry pryor
loe naboyshchikov
luis mansur
masao tanaka
michael salven
mike swauger
nick dotson
omar mcfarlane
paul wynn
pauline gottfried
peter breton
ralph burch
robbie collins
roland strom
stefan guenther
steve tankersley
tim long
todd bath
tom kelly
tommy porfirio
uriah murnan

4wd 1/8 open
aaron buran
abraham alicea jr
alan dyches
alex frank
allen denzine
andre saunders
billy debenedictis
brent gottfried
brett parker
brian berry
carissa figelski
charles leinback
charlie williams
chris berry
chris metheny
chris neocli
chris tosolini
chuck moon
danny horta
dave alfredson
dave campbell
david diehl
don jones
frank calandra
freddy villalona
gary hollingsworth
gary wiggins
giordano pieternell
greg esser
hazel dossantos
jayson livingstone
jim herrmann
joby uchtman
jody flipse
jody jaworski
joe detomaso
joe hauge
joe szebenyi iii
john schweitzer
jose garcia
josh cyrul
juan buenano
keisuke fukuda
keith winston
kelly bean
kenneth howard
khanthachai lapprom
kiatkachon kosuwin
kurt lechel
lararo alonso
louis przybyla
marco vanni
mark harrison
mark smylca
mark unger
masao tanaka
maurizio busnardo
michael patterson
michael salven
michel nijman
mike sambrano
mike saputo
mike swauger
o.v. opheim
paolo morganti
philipp leite
ralph burch jr
ralph morella
randy hight
reasheed mykoo
rex clary
richard siriano
rick vrielijnck
robbie malphurs
robert boisselle
robert summers
ron calangi
ron gustin
roniel regalado
scotty gray
steven merker
taurean bennett
ted hammer
terry bryant
terry prather
tiger morris
tim long
tommy lee
vince tate
william debeneictis


As of today, there are:
23 racers in 1/10 open
57 racers in 200mm sedan
90 racers in 1/8 4WD

Racers signed up in two classes:
Chris Berry
Chris Foster
Frank Calandra
Jared Scott
Josh Cyrul
Keisuke Fukuda
Kevin Hutchinson
Mark Unger
Masao Tanaka
Michael Salven
Ralph Burch Jr.
Tim Long
Tommy Lee
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Yeah, the list for 200mm is bad. Looks like only half a dozen Serpent drivers that I see, a couple of Yoks/Schumachers and a big list of Mugen cars.

Not sure of some of the drivers though.
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Molzer Mowery Racing will be live in the pits at winternats. will be able to respond to email and questions..... not sure were we will post info yet.. but stay tuned.
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