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Old 01-06-2004, 08:25 PM   #2701
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Originally posted by InitialD
Woow, stirring up problems again? What if some of the parts were indeed made in China? I don't see the point where this is getting to. Perhaps we should put VW or Chevrolet into the dock for putting manufacturing plants in China and Thailand respectively !


NOPE, just want to know what I'm buying. As I am sure many others do. I received several PM messages about this so I'm not the only one concerned. And yes, where things are made to many matters, especially when it changes un-announced. The point is the quality may not be the same as what it was, and it may have been done for price.


Of course they are NOT. If you have read earlier on in mytsn forums or even here, some of us demanded that it would be good if Hudy spring steel parts were included and bundled in the 710 kit. Well, Serpent did not hear us on this one and decided to keep the price down by putting the normal steel ones. Still, I believe Julius mentioned that the stock steel parts in the 710 are better than previous stock steel parts in the 705 / Impulse. So does this mean "China outsourcing" (if any of this is ever true to begin with) has made the product better?

I doubt that they are better than hudy spring steel. If it is then why don't they use this wonderful new metal on the 950R?



What problems are these you are referring to?

The problems with the plastic breaking, the car not being as durable as the 705/Impulse which you yourself agreed with and the fit and finish problems that are listed here and the metal breaking that some have seen.
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Old 01-06-2004, 08:42 PM   #2702
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And one other thing. the issue really isnt where the parts are made the fact that someone totally new is doing it and the materials are now different is the real significance. Anytime some new makes something you run the risk of having problems, even if the specs are the same.
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NOPE, just want to know what I'm buying. As I am sure many others do. I received several PM messages about this so I'm not the only one concerned. And yes, where things are made to many matters, especially when it changes un-announced. The point is the quality may not be the same as what it was, and it may have been done for price.
You're inferring that China made products are inferior? In any case, not to worry. The plastics are very much better than on the R40 or the NTC3.

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I doubt that they are better than hudy spring steel. If it is then why don't they use this wonderful new metal on the 950R?
If you read carefully, I did not say that the normal steel parts in the 710 were better than the Hudy spring steel. I did not compare the quality of the steel in the 710 with the Hudy spring steel. I compared the quality of the normal stock steel parts in the 710 with the normal stock steel parts that came with the 705 / Impulse. Hudy spring steel remains the best. No false advertising or misleading of any sort.

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The problems with the plastic breaking, the car not being as durable as the 705/Impulse which you yourself agreed with and the fit and finish problems that are listed here and the metal breaking that some have seen.
Woow, I think you should not take people's comments too seriously. You need to be in their situation to access what kind of damage they did to the car and how they hit the car before concluding the car has lousy plastics. ANY car will break when hit hard. That's a given fact. I agree that they are not built like the Impulse / 705 but that does not mean that the are fragile !

Fit and finish problem? Is that a problem? On the contrary, I find that the build quality of the 710 excellent !

In any case, I'm pretty sure there are some bad apples in the 710 due to quality wise which is sometimes out of one's control. Same deal with other kits.

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Old 01-06-2004, 09:02 PM   #2704
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And one other thing. the issue really isnt where the parts are made the fact that someone totally new is doing it and the materials are now different is the real significance. Anytime some new makes something you run the risk of having problems, even if the specs are the same.
The money is yours to spend and keep. If you're not convinced and you still have your own doubts, I suggest you stay with the R40 and the NTC3.

Besides, with all the setup possibilities on the 710, you'll have no time to play with the other cars !
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Old 01-06-2004, 09:11 PM   #2705
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whatever initiald. you have your opinion i have mine. the car has some problems, yeah they all do. but i like to make informed decisions and purchases, if you don't that's your business but ridiculing those of us that do serves no purpose - move on.

and, if you want to read posts carefully, go read my first one. i asked for a comment from serpent. last i checked you don't work for them.
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Old 01-06-2004, 09:20 PM   #2706
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Guys they TOY cars we race for Bowling trophies. Some of you are getting your panties in a bunch for nothing. Geez you would think people are buying 100,000 dollar Real cars...crying over the littles things that don't matter.
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I for one do not have my panties in a bunch...
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Old 01-06-2004, 09:25 PM   #2708
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Josh, I agree with you. From the get go, I started with my own mod on the 710 clutch using the same parts from the kit. Just different way of mounting the flyweights.

"Verry interesting"! Perhaps this is why you are not having a clutch problem. Thanks to a suggestion by Robert of Ashford Hobby (a ready source of Serpent parts) I'm building up a clutch with the flyweights shortened so that they will rest between the posts (not on the posts) as this will increase the centrifigal force engaging the clutch. Is this what you did?
EUREKA...!!!

THANK YOU ROBERT!!!!!!

I PUT THE CAR ON THE CONCRETE, PRESSED FIRMLY, AND BURNED RUBBER WITH ALL 4 WHEELS! NO SLIP!
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Old 01-06-2004, 09:33 PM   #2709
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Relax, we buy their car, we not attending to buy their company.
I hope its true... completely performance through evolution.

Wake up, this is global world. All European Company now suffers as the Euro is going stronger and stronger against the others.
Actually, if you outsourced this to China, Pieter, I'd like to buy into your company!
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Not a pretty sight I am sure...but it was a hard hit. I was making good times at my local track and the wheelnut decided it had a better place to be so he split and left me hanging. Needless to say it went into a 180 slide and knifed into the wall a-arms first. I gotta say most cars would have broken something and this was not a normal or typical crash. I wondered had the tire never came off but the same situation happened how I hit would parts have broken?
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Old 01-06-2004, 09:50 PM   #2711
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Maybe Holland Bakerys is the one who is recently opened in China just joking

True of what treky11 has to say if indeed they are made in china. Not only new problems arises from being new supplier and far from the customer (serpent). Controlling quality should remain an issues... I guess that why other Japanese brand car which is baing made in Taiwan has cracking front knuckle problems all the time on regular crashing.

But treky11... all guys has its prefferences.. no matter on brands or die hard fans, or something elses that makes things superior to his/her eyes on every angle. And we all have to respect that believes as we also have one ourself.

In case you are still looking for comparison which car suited you best (I supposed), below are little info on my point of view from what I`ve been driving (but I`m only selling Serpent and G4s as too many stores selling mugen and they do price wars in here.. no good for profit )

S710... biggest improvent made ever on their 1/10 TC cars. Most sophisticated adjustment on suspension geometry.. meaning, it should be able to adapt to any track condition. As this car is new, still many new things will be discovered. In MY prefferences, the shock is the worst case.. not only they are different in lenght (I prefer the same since I could have only spare one type in my pit box), they are rather easly cracks on the body as the threads is very smooth. A Arms on S710 looks too thin in my opinions and wont be able to handle such big impact... should be no problem if you are the world champion. Cleanning the car is as easy as holding you screwdrivers...must admit.. no doubt.

Mtx3... Stable and easy to drive out of the box. Front belt often broke and front knuckle will crack (still drivable) on regular impact. Tanks placement is not center so the car will always have different balance weight between left and right as the fuel being in and out.. but still drives nice and unless you are tweak freaks with championship fingers, you wouldnt notice. I bet the next mtx will have center fuel tank (seriously, if there is mtx4 not revision, I`m willing to bet you that car). Overall, this is the car most people use as of now around the world judging from its biggest thread posts and replies. Cleanning the car, in average, is good enough.

Team Magic G4... Cheap, drive most easly and stable out of the box, kyosho v1rr copys. The steering system is not only the key for precision balance but also your worst nightmare if it jammed. Highly maintanace on it and the hardest to clean the car all the way as everything is jammed packed inside. Lowest CG and will not give you tracktion roll... at least if it flips 1 time, those two cars above already flips 50 times.

No mather which cars you choose, try to stay on it at least in 6 straight month working and getting to know the car well... if still not working... hell.. sell it.

Sorry for the long reading..
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EUREKA...!!!

THANK YOU ROBERT!!!!!!

I PUT THE CAR ON THE CONCRETE, PRESSED FIRMLY, AND BURNED RUBBER WITH ALL 4 WHEELS! NO SLIP!
Can you post a pic of your shortened flyweights?..or which area of the flyweights did you shorten?....THANX.



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and, if you want to read posts carefully, go read my first one. i asked for a comment from serpent. last i checked you don't work for them.
Sorry if my post to you sounded "rude" and that I was ridiculing you. Never was my intention. I'm actually sad to find out that I do not work for Serpent. Thanks for the reminder.
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Guys they TOY cars we race for Bowling trophies.
What da ya mean that we should accept inferior products? This is serious shit man. This is totally unacceptable ! We pay out from out hard earned freaking cash and we expect nothing but the best !
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Not a pretty sight I am sure...but it was a hard hit. I was making good times at my local track and the wheelnut decided it had a better place to be so he split and left me hanging. Needless to say it went into a 180 slide and knifed into the wall a-arms first. I gotta say most cars would have broken something and this was not a normal or typical crash. I wondered had the tire never came off but the same situation happened how I hit would parts have broken?
OUCH...DRS, Upperlink, Shock Shaft...etc. That must've hurt man. Did your shcktowers break?...
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