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Old 11-01-2004, 06:38 AM   #18346
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I think its just a marketing stunt to atract potential new custommers.
I think they calculated that at most they would sell a couple of the cheap priced cars, but the total pagehit would be considerably higher thus atracting new custommers....
Obviously it worked. At least they got all of us discussing their website!
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Like they say, if its too good to be true then it can't be so.
But thing I do not understand is finding European online store selling serpent stuff that is higher in price compared to after the factory air-shipped them acrross the other part of the worlds.
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Old 11-01-2004, 06:55 AM   #18348
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But thing I do not understand is finding European online store selling serpent stuff that is higher in price compared to after the factory air-shipped them acrross the other part of the worlds.
I agree with you Pyramid.

Maybe it has to do with the cost of doing business in Europe but even that excuse is beginning to wear out because online costs are much lower no matter where you are.

Also noted is the fact that the Serpent supplier in the UK has dropped prices closer to match online stores as well. This tells me it IS possible to sell stuff at a more competitive price in Europe.
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Old 11-01-2004, 10:26 AM   #18349
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I guess the front is pushing because you're using yellow springs (perhaps too soft) and that the rear is dipping down or you have too much rear toe-in that takes away on power steering. Try less rear toe-in. Something like +2 or even 1.5 on each side of the rear wheel.

The car will not be soo lazy when you use the harder red springs. Try it. It may be better for your track. The car may respond and change directions better and faster.
Should I try the red springs front and rear?
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But thing I do not understand is finding European online store selling serpent stuff that is higher in price compared to after the factory air-shipped them acrross the other part of the worlds.
Part of globalisation - there are reports of crazy things these days. Here in Germany, for example, a Yoguhrt producer ships his yoguhrt to italy to get put into the tub - it then gets shipped to one of the easten european countires to have a lable put on it then gets a foil lid from holland before being returned to his factory!!!
It's cheaper to transport the Yoguhrt half way around the world to get it packed than get it done locally!!!!!! Don't even think about what impact this has on the environment.
Another one is that seafood caught in the north of Germany (Hamburg) is flown to Spain to be cleaned and shelled, before being flown back and sold at the very harbour where it was originally caught!!!!!!!! The world is mad, I tell you.
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I agree with you Pyramid.

Maybe it has to do with the cost of doing business in Europe but even that excuse is beginning to wear out because online costs are much lower no matter where you are.

Also noted is the fact that the Serpent supplier in the UK has dropped prices closer to match online stores as well. This tells me it IS possible to sell stuff at a more competitive price in Europe.
Is this the same supplier who sells Xray stuff? I know the guys from the Xray forum nearly blew there tops when I told them how much I paid for my Factory Kit here in Germany....especially as their new importer had just put their prices up!!! I told them to vote with their feet, save themselves a load of money and order everything from Europe Maybe they did!
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If we had the volume of sale it will be cheaper and to get the volume you need more tracks and more coverage of the "sport"

I cant see why manufacturers are not sponsoring tracks. It will benefit them the most!

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If we had the volume of sale it will be cheaper and to get the volume you need more tracks and more coverage of the "sport"

I cant see why manufacturers are not sponsoring tracks. It will benefit them the most!

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With sponsoring tracks, it is kind of like preaching to the converted. At my track there wouldn't be much point of any manufacturer but Mugen sponsoring it, but then they wouldn't really increase sales through it, as they are virtually all driving Mugens anyway. Anyone new coming to the track is most likely going to meet a Mugen driver, who will recommend the MTX-3 for him - which would be sensible, as the guy would get the most support.

I would be quite interested to see how many of our racing cars fall into the hands of folks who use them on racing circuits and how many use them just to mess about with in the street/car parks.
I have a sneaky feeling that an awful lot of the cars sold never see (or seldom see) a racing track.

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Is this the same supplier who sells Xray stuff? I know the guys from the Xray forum nearly blew there tops when I told them how much I paid for my Factory Kit here in Germany....especially as their new importer had just put their prices up!!! I told them to vote with their feet, save themselves a load of money and order everything from Europe Maybe they did!
No, only one supplier is supplying Serpent stuff ... Elite RC.
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I have a sneaky feeling that an awful lot of the cars sold never see (or seldom see) a racing track.

Cheers, Mark.
You are entirely correct, I'm certain of that fact.
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With sponsoring tracks, it is kind of like preaching to the converted. At my track there wouldn't be much point of any manufacturer but Mugen sponsoring it, but then they wouldn't really increase sales through it, as they are virtually all driving Mugens anyway. Anyone new coming to the track is most likely going to meet a Mugen driver, who will recommend the MTX-3 for him - which would be sensible, as the guy would get the most support.

I would be quite interested to see how many of our racing cars fall into the hands of folks who use them on racing circuits and how many use them just to mess about with in the street/car parks.
I have a sneaky feeling that an awful lot of the cars sold never see (or seldom see) a racing track.

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yes but if the built another track (or 3 or 5!) and sponsored a 1/2 hr tv coverage i bet they would double their sales.

The only reason Kyosho is in business in Indonesia is because one of the guys got off his butt and built a world class track in Jakarta. How many cars would Elite sell in the UK if there wasnt Halifax or Tibshelf around?
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yes but if the built another track (or 3 or 5!) and sponsored a 1/2 hr tv coverage i bet they would double their sales.

The only reason Kyosho is in business in Indonesia is because one of the guys got off his butt and built a world class track in Jakarta. How many cars would Elite sell in the UK if there wasnt Halifax or Tibshelf around?
certainly the more tracks the better, but a track has to be established by a club/interested party to ensure that the track is maintained and well visited. Even then, there would be no guarantee that the manufacturer would gain anything out of the track and therefore the reason why there are very few sponsored tracks.
The are a lot of tracks here in Germany, but none of them are sponsored by a manufacturer.

It's kind of like a chicken-and-egg type scenario: tracks come about from interested people, but those people only get interested when there is a facility to allow them to practice their hobby.
If it wasn't for the tracks near me, I would never have got into RC. If there was only a car park to play on, I would be bored within a few minutes.
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Sorry but its as simple as this

More tracks = more drivers = more car sales

Who does that benefit??

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Sorry but its as simple as this

More tracks = more drivers = more car sales

Who does that benefit??

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Yep, this is what I was alluding to in my posting. But there doesn't seem to be enough benefit, or at least interest, for a single manufacturer to sponsor a track.
It is however worth a try to contact a manufacturer to guage their interest in such a proposal in areas where there are no tracks.

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Part of globalisation - there are reports of crazy things these days. Here in Germany, for example, a Yoguhrt producer ships his yoguhrt to italy to get put into the tub - it then gets shipped to one of the easten european countires to have a lable put on it then gets a foil lid from holland before being returned to his factory!!!
It's cheaper to transport the Yoguhrt half way around the world to get it packed than get it done locally!!!!!! Don't even think about what impact this has on the environment.
Another one is that seafood caught in the north of Germany (Hamburg) is flown to Spain to be cleaned and shelled, before being flown back and sold at the very harbour where it was originally caught!!!!!!!! The world is mad, I tell you.
economists used or perhaps are still using the price of a big mac from mac donald restaurant to get a price relative measurement from country to country.
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