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Old 12-09-2003, 04:07 PM   #1546
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Julius: I assume the cars are ready to ship shortly with the-border hobbies shipping there tomorrow?

It's getting closer....

Yep, the first kits will be shipped to our customers tomorrow morning.
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Old 12-09-2003, 08:48 PM   #1547
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initial D sometimes reducing droop will help in overall steering.
adding droop vs reducing droop to add steering is not always
the case so in some situations you can get a more consistent
turn circle with reduced droop because your not unloading the
inside wheel too much.
Yes, I agree. But the inside wheel unloading thing on throttle should not happen with a one way front anyways right?

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with the pit situation I think that depends
on how comfortable you are with your pitmans abilities.
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Old 12-09-2003, 09:53 PM   #1548
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ashford hobby has all the parts and pricing for the 710 upoaded in their pricelist. Robert tells me kits will most likely ship from serpent USA just before Xmas....
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Old 12-10-2003, 12:36 AM   #1549
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it will be in the shops NEXT WEEK in HK! Just checked with the Asia distrubutor...
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Old 12-10-2003, 01:42 AM   #1550
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Yes, I agree. But the inside wheel unloading thing on throttle should not happen with a one way front anyways right?
The wheel does unload, but contrary to a diff the loaded wheel (outside) will still be driven. Where a diff would route all power to the inside, unloaded wheel which will then spin.
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Old 12-10-2003, 01:50 AM   #1551
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If you don't compensate the droop you will most likely get a little less steering on throttle due to the decrease in downward travel.
Yes, due to my incompetance, I should have mentioned that all things being equal in ride height etc... My apologies. Thanks for the reply as that was what I was looking for.

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As to your question of changing droop during a final. No way! The time lost in the pits......
Well, I was actually referring to very quick adjustments like what the pitman does to the carbs... Take a 2 mm allen, lift the car up and turn half round clockwise on each side of the rear droop screws... Not as accurate as in putting the car on the board but that would at least give you some more rear droop for tire wear compensation.

Yeah, I was thinking would it be great if you could drive the car for the whole main and the car's feeling remains the same throughout the whole driving... That would be ideal.
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Old 12-10-2003, 02:04 AM   #1552
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The wheel does unload, but contrary to a diff the loaded wheel (outside) will still be driven. Where a diff would route all power to the inside, unloaded wheel which will then spin.
I don't follow you here...

Perhaps the difference in terminology used... Unload as in slip.

A one way will lock in the inner wheel during a turn on power and the other wheel (outer wheel) free wheels regardless of on power or off power.

Regardless of the above, how does having less droop in front make for the inside wheel unload (slip) less and hence give a more consistent turn circle? Unload (slip) less because less front droop prevents the front wheels from lifting off the track on power?

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Old 12-10-2003, 02:09 AM   #1553
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This waiting game is a pain. I want my car already

I wanna go Racing!
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Old 12-10-2003, 02:28 AM   #1554
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I don't follow you here...

Perhaps the difference in terminology used... Unload as in slip.

A one way will lock in the inner wheel during a turn on power and the other wheel (outer wheel) free wheels regardless of on power or off power.

Regardless of the above, how does having less droop in front make for the inside wheel unload (slip) less and hence give a more consistent turn circle? Unload (slip) less because less front droop prevents the front wheels from lifting off the track on power?
A one way will put power to a wheel when the drivetrain is faster than the wheel right?
Now if you are in a corner and apply power initially the inside wheel will be slowest so it gets powered and the outside won't. But when you turn the inside wheel gets less pressure and will start to slip, at that moment with a one way power will still go to the outside wheel. But with a diff if an inside wheel starts slipping (spinning) all power will go to that wheel (not taking limited slip diffs into account).
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RE: front droop settings.

decreasing front droop should keep the car flat and keep
the inside wheels power or force on the pavement and
should help with a little more on power steering with a more
responsive car. Conditions will alway dictate what droop settings
will be so there is no clear answer to how much the droop to
run.
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Old 12-10-2003, 09:01 AM   #1556
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RE: front droop settings.

decreasing front droop should keep the car flat and keep
the inside wheels power or force on the pavement and
should help with a little more on power steering with a more
responsive car. Conditions will alway dictate what droop settings
will be so there is no clear answer to how much the droop to
run.
Julius mentioned this earlier;

Front downstop effects the on power steering. If you run more front movement you get a little more on power steering (the front wheels stay on the ground longer). But if you go too far the car's response slows down and could get vague out of the corners.

I guess the "neutral" front droop setting could be taken as 0 for the 705 and perhaps -3 and below (or +3 and above) droop settings are the excessive (or restrictive) droop ends to avoid as it has adverse effects on steering?
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This waiting game is a pain. I want my car already

I wanna go Racing!
Looks like Mitchel has the 710 available already.
I just got this info from my Italian buddy but
you might want to email him first to reconfirm..

If so, he is the first one I know who has them in
stock.

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Old 12-10-2003, 03:19 PM   #1558
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Ohh thanks God, at least Serpent did heard our prayers!!,, I don't now you guys but I see a considering drop of prices in replacement parts for the S710, so why stick with our beloved's 705, when we have now a cheaper and better machine to kick some a$$es!!,,
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Old 12-10-2003, 04:27 PM   #1559
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Any ideas why the 710 has a high internal drive ratio? Doesnt seem to be geared for smaller tracks.
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Any ideas why the 710 has a high internal drive ratio? Doesnt seem to be geared for smaller tracks.
Check pages 25-35 of this thread for the answer.

In short the ratio internally is high but the ratio from clutch to 2 speed is lower than others. Thus final ratio is usable from small to large tracks.
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