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Old 10-01-2003, 10:57 PM   #31
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Team tires and engines... Just a reflection: On engine performance, there is a tolerance span on the machined components that make up the engine. Due to this, some engines will work better than others. This to some extent is predictable by measuring compression etc. If an engine manufacturer would only sell the absolut best eninge it had, the cost of the engine would be much, much higher since the customers would have to pay for all the parts that were being sorted as non-conforming and then scrapped... Tires is a different issue, the rimes are molded, the foam extruded, then cut and glued. These processes are much more repeatable to their nature and there is no reason that you would not be able to produce 100% correct tires all the time, with the same properties on the track. Matching is a different thing, this can be done by either the tire manufacturer (for a team driver...) or the customer (me and my durometer...)

I still think it would be wise for tire manufacturers to sell the best tires they are capable of producing.
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While we are on the subject, does anybody with major racing experience at a high level have any input on if any foam tires for sedans have an edge over others? I have been running the Ellegi tires on dish rims ever since they came out and have been very happy with them, (better than the super G, the Kawahara and some other stuff I have tested) but is there someone that can honestly say they have tested them all and brand X is better ? I am about to stock up for winternats again and any input would be appreciated.
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Frederick, have you tried Speedmind tires?
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Old 10-02-2003, 12:54 AM   #34
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While we are on the subject, does anybody with major racing experience at a high level have any input on if any foam tires for sedans have an edge over others? I have been running the Ellegi tires on dish rims ever since they came out and have been very happy with them, (better than the super G, the Kawahara and some other stuff I have tested) but is there someone that can honestly say they have tested them all and brand X is better ? I am about to stock up for winternats again and any input would be appreciated.

I have tried the Speedmind , Jaco and Elligie. On 3 different surfaces and I can say there is NO one brand of tire better than others. It really depends on surfaces. I found that on high grip to medium grip surface, the Speedmind and Jaco are way better than Elligie, in terms of better wear and more stable/consistant.
Speedmind claims to have packed more rubber compound into the same tire over other brands. ( strange because they all should be "natural rubber" with other mixing compounds)

However, when it comes to lower grip surfaces, I like the Elligie better. Somehow it just gave me more consistant laptime. But the issue of faster rate of wearing is still there on the Elligie compare to other 2.

Also rims hardness important too, not just tires,
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Old 10-02-2003, 01:26 AM   #35
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I hate to say this but I have tried all th tires and I find them all the same to be honest. Darn ... maybe it is because I drive too slow!!! Hahahaha ...
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Old 10-02-2003, 04:14 AM   #36
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These GQ tyres you guys are talking about are freely availible here in OZ but nobody seems to like them. Fast tyres seem to be the go at my local club. But I must admit I do use the GQ tyres quite regularly and I find that they are a little bit harder in compound as apposed to GRP tyres. They wear very well and a lot cheaper than GRP. In my own opion they are a pretty good tyre.
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yes the 1/8th ones are orange for mugens.

I heard karlton spindle had some, but whats the deal is he importing them or just buying them from an overseas source. Nobody has them back east.
I only ever saw these wheels on the manufacturers web site - not in the flesh. No, I don't have the URL unfortunately.
The 1/10th wheels were orange and looked to be an exact copy, apart from the rim colour, of the Active tyres we use - they were supposedly the same Japanese rubber also . . . . . and . . . . errrr . . . . cheap.

Anyone have the URL for the manufacturer?
. . . . or a source here in Oz?
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Old 10-02-2003, 06:27 AM   #38
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Maybe I'm going about this the wrong way, so I pose this question.

do we have any go cart racers in the crowd who competitively race shifter carts?? and if so have you heard of a fuel product called stealth.

I will get to the piont after we get a few responses.

We've had a few responses and for the life of me, I can't figure how a fuel product relates to tyre talk?

What's the go here.
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Old 10-02-2003, 09:30 PM   #39
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Hmmm, so speedmind you say are good, I wonder if I should give them a try at Ft Myers? It is definately high traction, last year, after practice day 2 we all ran 42 rears with solid rear axles and had no lack of traction whatsoever. I'll buy some sets and try them out. Thanks for the hint, Išll make sure to bring enough of the Ellegi stuff to just in case...
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Hmmm, so speedmind you say are good, I wonder if I should give them a try at Ft Myers? It is definately high traction, last year, after practice day 2 we all ran 42 rears with solid rear axles and had no lack of traction whatsoever. I'll buy some sets and try them out. Thanks for the hint, Išll make sure to bring enough of the Ellegi stuff to just in case...
If you're still using the snake (god forbid if you're not ), use the FC steering blocks and it will clear the Speedmind rims. What I did on mine is I use lexan pieces cut in the shape of the hex as wheel spacers in front to space the side of the rims so that it clears the steering linkage ball joints too. All in all, it fits to 200 mm front trackwidth.

How's Andrew with his 1/5th scale? Is he going along with you to the Winternats again? My regards to him.
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Black rims for 1/10? Over here, the 1/10 scale rims for touring cars are also orange.

anyone know if they sell orange 1/10 ones? let mek now
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Old 10-03-2003, 09:50 AM   #42
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Default GQ tires.

Last night I was talking to Carlton at KZ and he told me, he is ready to give away sole destribution for GQ tires. If samobody interesting in it, just give him a call or send him e-mail.
www.kzspeedway.com
The phone # and e-mail adress on the website.
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That's soooo typical in this business.

Getting a distributorship, NOT promoting the product at all (I've never seen GQ mentioned other then on Ebay) and then being pissed because people don't run your shop down for the new product and giving up.
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If you're still using the snake (god forbid if you're not ), use the FC steering blocks and it will clear the Speedmind rims. What I did on mine is I use lexan pieces cut in the shape of the hex as wheel spacers in front to space the side of the rims so that it clears the steering linkage ball joints too. All in all, it fits to 200 mm front trackwidth.

How's Andrew with his 1/5th scale? Is he going along with you to the Winternats again? My regards to him.
InitalD, I bought the FC blocks a while ago but have yet to install them, I am kind of hesitant on if I should buy a new 705 kit right now or hold my breath in the hopes that Serpent might release a new version of the 705 in time for me to build one for the winternats. And Yes, Andrew and I are going to Ft Myers together again to get humilitaed (or maybe not ). On 1/5 scale, I have to tell you, we went from two F1 cars in April to 13 racers right now, acctually we are running a road coarse race tonight. They are just sooooo much fun. Seing a field of 10 F1 cars on the starting grid is just incredible. highly recommend it.

Are you heading for Ft Myers as well?
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That's soooo typical in this business.

Getting a distributorship, NOT promoting the product at all (I've never seen GQ mentioned other then on Ebay) and then being pissed because people don't run your shop down for the new product and giving up.
It is very possible. Luckely I am not hook to this business
I told Carlton and he says everybody who wants to take over are very welcome. I just was messenger from forum's people to him, that is all.
BTW, actualy from my personal feeling (but i am not expert on it at all), tires look and work much better then we tryed others. It is my feelings.
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