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Old 08-21-2008, 07:27 AM   #1
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Default 10 minute qualy. Pro and con??

It seems that most of the international races have 10 minute qualy runs.

It seems stateside that most races are run with 5 minute runs.

Any reason to not run 10 minute qualy?

Seems to me that you would get more track time and it would be easier to schedule longer mains with 2 10 minute qualy runs versus 3 5 minute runs.
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Old 08-21-2008, 07:30 AM   #2
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I've run both and like both but since I'm usually a better race driver then qualifier I would prefer 30 minute qualifiers,
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We ran 10 min quals at the Bryon race and it was cool. It makes for a very different qualifying strategy, ie. your pit person can effect your time. You can also make up for early mistakes. Consistency and smooth driving really pays off.
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ie. your pit person can effect your time...
Steve, I told you I was sorry about that tire change at the Regionals!
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I like it for a big race as strategy comes in for qual's as well.

But, for a club race, we have trouble getting pit guys usually so that would add one more headache, IMO
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I like it for a big race as strategy comes in for qual's as well.

But, for a club race, we have trouble getting pit guys usually so that would add one more headache, IMO
Have to agree with the post 100%.
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Steve, I told you I was sorry about that tire change at the Regionals!
No worries...it was only a podium spot.
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I've run both and like both but since I'm usually a better race driver then qualifier I would prefer 30 minute qualifiers,
Me too. I can drive a good race just don't put your money on me to be TQ. I never have understood the "slow pitman hurts me in 10 minute Qualifiers" excuse. I assume they are going to use the same slow pitman in the mains to make 4 or 5 slow pit stops in say 60 minutes. Are these people just racing for TQ and blowing off the mains?
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Have to agree with the post 100%.
I completely agree with this...

10mins are great if you have the people... if not, it becomes a problem...
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Keep in mind the overall race program is different as well. More than just 10 Minute Qualifiers.

The International events typically use IFMAR Worlds Christmas Tree style of Finals, and really benefit from the 10 Minute Qualifiers which seed the field into an appropriate group. Top 4 direct transfer to the Final. Others are seeded into A or B Groups 1/2 Semi Final on down, with Winners and Fastest Non Winners of these groups bumping up each time.

This format doesnt work well when you run multiple types of Classes on a short weekend. It works really well when your only running one type of car (ie. 1/8 Nitro, 1/10 Touring Car, etc) at an event.

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I guess it also depends on number of people attending this races.

10 mins qualifying requires pit strategy and i find that its great.

Locally we run 7mins qualifying instead due to time constraints.
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I like it for a big race as strategy comes in for qual's as well.

But, for a club race, we have trouble getting pit guys usually so that would add one more headache, IMO
i agree
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The con is getting it all in one day. In Holland we have a tight schedule to get it all between 10:00 and 17:00. Qualification will take about 2 hours and with 10min heats it will tale twice the time and then it short time to plan all the finals.
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I will recommend IFMAR to change it to 5 min qualifiers.

For one simple reason: to make major events less boring!

It is really bad to wait 4 hours to have your next run, and be an intire day at the track and have only 2 runs. You need 3 long days to have 6 runs!!
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I dont know about you guys... But my qualifying pitman usually is someone that has to marshall while Im racing... So I get refueled before starting the qualify, then he leaves to marshall. I know that this is not a definition of a pitman, but hey, no one else around and Im sure he aint going to forfeit 3 laps just to stick there.

Another problem, at least in my case, is that we only have 1 race day. So In addition to getting the car and engine dialed in, now we need to think up a pit strategy, check our runtime in practice in order to see if I have to pit ahead of the pack, at the same time or after the others.

One more problem is the time consumption... I prefer having 3 5-minute qualifiers rather than 2 10-minute qualifiers... Why? Because in racing, theres always 50% chance or more of bad luck... With the 3 qualifiers, you have more chance to get a good qualify in. That is why international events have like 5 qualifiers, because they take into account the "bad luck" and the 10-minute qualifiers.

Dunno, thats my opinion
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